7 March 2001
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1 UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK
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3 UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
4 v. S(7) 98 Cr. 1023
5 USAMA BIN LADEN, et al.,
6 Defendants.
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New York, N.Y.
9 January 8, 2001
9:55 a.m.
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1 APPEARANCES
2 MARY JO WHITE
United States Attorney for the
3 Southern District of New York
BY: PATRICK FITZGERALD
4 KENNETH KARAS
PAUL BUTLER
5 Assistant United States Attorneys
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SAM A. SCHMIDT
7 JOSHUA DRATEL
KRISTIAN K. LARSEN
8 Attorneys for defendant Wadih El Hage
9 ANTHONY L. RICCO
EDWARD D. WILFORD
10 CARL J. HERMAN
SANDRA A. BABCOCK
11 Attorneys for defendant Mohamed Sadeek Odeh
12 FREDRICK H. COHN
DAVID P. BAUGH
13 Attorneys for defendant Mohamed Rashed Daoud Al-'Owhali
14 JEREMY SCHNEIDER
DAVID STERN
15 DAVID RUHNKE
Attorneys for defendant Khalfan Khamis Mohamed
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1 (Trial resumes)
2 THE COURT: The record will indicate that the Court
3 didn't sit on Monday and Tuesday, March 5th and 6th, because
4 of the weather conditions.
5 On March 6th I entered an order with respect to the
6 cross-examination of victim witnesses consistent with my
7 ruling the previous Thursday that crossed with a motion in
8 limine by the government dated March 5. In my March 6
9 memorandum I said, "If any defense counsel believes that the
10 vulnerability of the embassy or the failure to issue warning
11 or take other precautions is a valid defense issue as to
12 guilt, the Court should promptly be so advised, preferrably in
13 writing, and we will deal with this issue forth with."
14 I subsequently received a letter from Frederick Cohn,
15 which, I've been advised, is also to be sealed, and I have so
16 marked my copy, in which he makes certain observations but
17 does not contest that the vulnerability of the embassy or the
18 failure to advise Kenyans of any threats was relevant.
19 Does anybody have a contrary view? Silence is
20 acquiescence. I assume, therefore, that questions such as
21 that posed to Ambassador Bushnell at page 1876, line 16, "As
22 United States ambassador, did you ever warn the Kenyans about
23 threats made against U.S. embassies or U.S. facilities?" will
24 not be asked of any of the victim witnesses and that the
25 matter need not be addressed before the jury.
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1 At some point today, not now and not in open court, I
2 would like to resume a dialogue which was begun last week with
3 respect to future timing of this case and what, if anything,
4 should be said to the jurors.
5 Any other matter which we should address before we
6 bring in the jury?
7 MR. KARAS: Your Honor, with respect to your Honor's
8 ruling regarding the in limine motion and Ambassador Bushnell,
9 we assume that that same ruling would apply to the witnesses
10 that would testify regarding the Dar es Salaam Embassy and the
11 Dar es Salaam bombing and any issues regarding vulnerability
12 and so forth.
13 MR. RUHNKE: No problem, Judge.
14 THE COURT: I think that's correct, yes.
15 Mr. Cohn.
16 MR. COHN: There will be some matters which should be
17 taken up before Agent Gaudin takes the stand, which I gather
18 will be right after the victims. I can do it now or I can
19 wait until the recess.
20 THE COURT: Let's do it during the recess and let's
21 bring in the jury and the next witness.
22 MR. BUTLER: Your Honor, one quick matter. We would
23 request that the victim witnesses not be sketched.
24 THE COURT: Not be sketched.
25 Is there a sketch artist in the courtroom? No. All
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2 MR. RUHNKE: Just walked in, I think.
3 THE COURT: Ma'am, are you a sketch artist?
4 SPECTATOR: No.
5 MR. SCHMIDT: Your Honor, just so you're aware, we
6 have issues concerning the cross-examination of Officer Gaudin
7 that we would like to take up also.
8 THE COURT: Very well.
9 All right, so let's bring in the jury and the next
10 witness.
11 I just advise the marshals, then, if a sketch artist
12 comes and starts to sketch, that he or she been advised not to
13 sketch the faces of any of the witnesses this morning.
14 (Jury present)
15 THE COURT: Welcome back. Welcome back.
16 THE JURY: Good morning.
17 THE COURT: Before we begin, may I inquire whether
18 any jurors have seen or read any media reports over the trial
19 over the weekend or before trial today?
20 THE JURY: No.
21 THE COURT: Very well. The government may call its
22 next witness.
23 MR. BUTLER: Government calls Frank Pressley, your
24 Honor.
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1 FRANK PRESSLEY,
2 called as a witness by the government,
3 having been duly sworn, testified as follows:
4 DEPUTY CLERK: Please be seated, sir. Please state
5 your full name.
6 THE WITNESS: Frank Pressley.
7 DEPUTY CLERK: Please spell your last name.
8 THE WITNESS: P-R-E-S-S-L-E-Y.
9 MR. BUTLER: May I proceed, your Honor?
10 THE COURT: Yes, please.
11 DIRECT EXAMINATION
12 BY MR. BUTLER:
13 Q. Mr. Pressley, how old are you, sir?
14 A. I'm 48.
15 Q. How are you presently employed?
16 A. I work with the U.S. Department of State.
17 Q. How long have you worked for the State Department?
18 A. 21 years.
19 Q. Where are you working for the State Department right now?
20 A. I'm presently assigned to our regional office in Florida.
21 Q. And where were you assigned before you were sent to the
22 regional office in Florida?
23 A. Frankfurt, Germany, and before that, Nairobi, Kenya.
24 Q. And when were you in Nairobi, Kenya?
25 A. I arrived in Nairobi in February of 1997.
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1 Q. When did you leave Nairobi, Kenya?
2 A. August the 10th, 1998.
3 Q. Directing your attention to August 7th, 1998, do you
4 recall that day?
5 A. Very well.
6 Q. Where were you on August 7th, 1998?
7 A. The morning, Friday morning, I -- I'm the information
8 management officer. I handle all the communication activities
9 in the embassy -- computers, radios, televisions, telephones.
10 I was called with a problem in the mail facility.
11 I went to the mail facility, and the problem actually
12 had happened or originated in the GSO section. I left the
13 mail room facility and went upstairs to the second -- first
14 floor, I'm sorry, first floor, to the General Services Office.
15 MR. BUTLER: I would like to publish what has been
16 previously entered into evidence as Government Exhibit 801D,
17 as in dog.
18 THE COURT: 801D, as in dog.
19 Q. Mr. Pressley, where was the General Services Office
20 located within the embassy?
21 A. The GSO office is on the first floor.
22 Q. Is this the correct floor?
23 A. I don't have my glasses.
24 Q. Why don't you just ignore that.
25 Why don't you just describe for the jury where it was
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1 located, what side of the building it was located on.
2 A. Well, the GSO office is a large office. The office I went
3 to was the main GSO office, the supervisor GSO office, in the
4 corner of the building, facing Moi Avenue.
5 Q. And where was it located in relationship to where the rear
6 parking lot and co-op house was located?
7 A. Okay. The GSO section, like I say, it swung all the way
8 around from Moi all the way to the back. The actual GSO
9 office is in the back of the building in the corner, right
10 beside procurement and across from Customs and shipping.
11 Q. And do you recall exactly where you were around 10:30 in
12 the morning?
13 A. I went to the senior GSO office and the person,
14 supervisor, was not there. I was standing in front of the GSO
15 secretary's office and I initiated a conversation with
16 Michelle O'Connor, then GSO.
17 Q. Who is Michelle O'Connor?
18 A. Michelle O'Connor was the general services officer in that
19 office and also a good friend of mine. She was also my
20 neighbor.
21 Q. And do you recall what you were discussing at the time?
22 A. Well, we had a problem with the fax system and I was
23 discussing her procedures, her staff that were having
24 problems, continuous problems with those procedures.
25 Q. What happened while you were having this conversation?
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1 A. Well, I completed the conversation and I was about to
2 leave her general office and then she started discussing, you
3 know, personal things like "see ya later" and "see ya
4 tonight." We often went out together because her children,
5 her three girls, and mine played together. So we were kind of
6 talking about personal stuff.
7 I went to the secretary's desk and I said goodbye and
8 made a note to the senior GSO that I came by to discuss the
9 problem, and then Lydia Sparks and Jay Bartley entered the
10 office.
11 Q. Let me go back a second. Who else was in the office when
12 you were having this conversation with Michelle O'Connor,
13 about how many people?
14 A. I believe there was five, Rookia Ali, Michelle O'Connor,
15 Lydia Sparks entered and Jay Bartley entered, and there
16 were -- some of them were going in and out at the same time so
17 I don't know who those other people were at the time.
18 Q. Who was Jay Bartley?
19 A. Jay Bartley was one of the -- I think he was a college
20 student, actually was a college student there, was the son of
21 Jay Bartley, Sr., the consul general's son.
22 Q. What happened after you began to leave the procurement
23 office -- the GSO office? I'm sorry.
24 A. Well, it was interesting. It was a Friday morning and I
25 was surprised that Jay and Lydia were there.
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1 THE COURT: What happened, sir?
2 THE WITNESS: Oh, what happened?
3 THE COURT: What happened?
4 THE WITNESS: What happened was I started to leave
5 the office and Rookia was talking to me, and I could see out
6 the windows from where I was standing. Where I was standing,
7 I could see out both sides of the building, two sides of the
8 building. There was a glass on that side and I saw people
9 running away. You know, I wasn't sure why.
10 And as I faced toward Michelle O'Connor's office, we
11 saw the same thing -- people running away, screaming and
12 making noise. I really didn't know what was going on and I
13 wasn't going to pay much attention until I heard some noise,
14 and the noise was like firecrackers or small explosions, small
15 fire -- you know, noises.
16 Q. What happened after you heard these small firecracker
17 noises?
18 A. Then the screaming got louder and people were really
19 scattering across the streets. But I didn't think much about
20 it. I wanted to go down the hall and go back to my office.
21 So I turned to go down the hall and I heard a larger
22 explosion. It was large like a tire exploding, a backfire on
23 a truck or something, and that caught my attention, of course.
24 Q. And what happened after you heard this louder explosion?
25 A. Almost everyone that I saw ran to the window in the
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1 procurement section, looking out the window, and I turned to
2 Ms. O'Connor and Jay Bartley and Jay Bartley started walking
3 down the hallway. I said, I got to go, I don't know what this
4 is. I turned to my right to go down the hall, and then all of
5 a sudden I was flying. A loud explosion, huge impact. It
6 just kind of picked me up and I just went through, flying
7 through the air.
8 Q. What happened after you went flying through the air? Were
9 you knocked unconscious?
10 A. I think for a few seconds I just kind of lost things. I
11 wasn't -- I hit the wall. I landed on the wall and I looked
12 up at the ceiling and I didn't really know what had hit me. I
13 was surprised, I mean, shocked, basically. And then I looked
14 up and I saw the -- I thought it was smoke. It seemed like
15 black burling smoke through the hallway, and I noticed that
16 basically the ceiling was gone.
17 And I tried to stand up. It was difficult. I stood
18 up, and from that point I just couldn't believe what I saw. I
19 looked around. I saw like chunks of blood or red, kind of
20 meat on the walls. Some of the walls were actually missing,
21 too. It was pretty shocking. I mean --
22 Q. Did you sustain any injuries as a result of the blast?
23 A. Oh, yeah. I lost part of my jaw. I lost a large section
24 of my shoulder. When I stood up, I actually, after I kind of
25 figured out where I was, I looked down and saw my bone
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1 sticking up out of my shirt.
2 Q. And did you see Michelle O'Connor on your way out of the
3 embassy?
4 A. Well, I saw, I -- first of all, I heard a lot of noise,
5 people crying, screaming. And I did see, I thought, Michelle
6 O'Connor's body. But more than that, I saw some legs, a pair
7 of just man's legs with the pants on. But I still didn't
8 realize what was going on. You know, I thought maybe that the
9 boiler had blown up or -- I wasn't sure what had happened at
10 that point.
11 Q. And were you able to get out of the embassy?
12 A. I started walking to the hallway and trying to focus on
13 what had happened, not really sure what had happened. I tried
14 to go down the stairwell. One of the stairwells was
15 completely blocked, concrete door had blown off. So I went to
16 the other stairwell, and I started walking down the stairwell
17 and then someone came up behind me about halfway down and
18 started helping me down the stairwell.
19 Q. Did you eventually get out of the embassy?
20 A. I got out of the embassy. I stood in front of the embassy
21 after that and just watched. I couldn't believe my eyes.
22 Q. Was there anyone else inside the embassy that you were
23 looking for?
24 A. Well, as I stood there, I, in front of the embassy, facing
25 towards the embassy and people were all around me, I saw my
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1 wife's boss walk in front of me, Mr. Cavalier. I asked him if
2 he had seen my wife because my wife worked for him. He didn't
3 seem to know anything. He was very nervous and crying and
4 worried about his wife, as I was.
5 Q. And did your wife make it out of the embassy?
6 A. Yes. She came down the steps eventually and she came over
7 to me from behind. I heard her voice. People were trying to
8 take care of me because I didn't realize that I was hurt as
9 bad as I was. As she came close to me, she was -- her eyes
10 got bigger and she started crying.
11 Q. Do you know what happened to Michelle O'Connor and Jay
12 Bartley?
13 A. Well, I know now. At that time I knew they were hurt, but
14 I didn't know how bad. I know now they were killed.
15 MR. BUTLER: No further questions, your Honor.
16 THE COURT: Any cross-examination?
17 MR. COHN: No.
18 MR. SCHMIDT: No, your Honor.
19 THE COURT: Thank you. You may step down.
20 (Witness excused)
21 THE COURT: Government may call it's next witness.
22 MR. BUTLER: Government calls George Mimba, your
23 Honor, M-I-M-B-A.
24 GEORGE MIMBA,
25 called as a witness by the government,
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1 having been duly sworn, testified as follows:
2 DEPUTY CLERK: Please be seated, sir. Please state
3 your full name.
4 THE WITNESS: My name is George Mygit Mimba.
5 DEPUTY CLERK: Please spell your last name.
6 THE WITNESS: My last name is M-I-M-B-A.
7 DIRECT EXAMINATION
8 BY MR. BUTLER:
9 Q. Good morning, Mr. Mimba.
10 A. Good morning.
11 Q. How old are you, sir?
12 A. I'm 35 years old.
13 Q. Where were you born?
14 A. I was born there Yaza Gzmet. Yaza is a province in
15 Nairobi, Kenya.
16 Q. Have you lived in Kenya your entire life?
17 A. Yes, your Honor.
18 Q. And how are you presently employed?
19 A. Say again?
20 Q. How are you presently employed? What is your job?
21 A. My job is information systems manager.
22 Q. And where is that?
23 A. That is in Nairobi. I'm in charge of American embassies
24 in Eastern and Central Africa, Nairobi's regional office.
25 That covers about five embassies.
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1 Q. So you work for the American Embassy?
2 A. Yes, sir.
3 Q. And how long have you worked for the American Embassy?
4 A. I've worked for the embassy for a total of 11 years. The
5 first four years with U.S. Aid, which is also an agency of the
6 United States.
7 Q. And were you working at the American Embassy on the
8 morning of August 7th, 1998?
9 A. Yes, sir.
10 Q. Where was your office in the embassy located?
11 A. My office was on -- I don't know how to explain it, but
12 when you come into the embassy it was on the first floor,
13 first floor when you arrived when you get into the building.
14 Q. And how many people worked in your office?
15 A. We -- right now or then?
16 Q. Back then, on August 7?
17 A. Back then we had one American who was the information
18 systems officer and three FSNs. Including me, we were four
19 Kenyans working on the embassy. So we were a total of five
20 people.
21 Q. What time did you arrive at the embassy, approximately, on
22 August 7th, 1998?
23 A. That day I was picked up early because I was supposed to
24 travel to attend an information systems managers conference in
25 Nakra. So they picked me up at around 6:30. We arrived at
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1 the embassy some minutes to 7 -- some minutes after 7, about
2 7:15.
3 Q. And what did you do at the embassy that morning?
4 A. When I got into the embassy, I started preparing to leave,
5 taking my money, having meetings with my staff, telling them
6 what I need done in my absence, and stuff like that.
7 Q. When you say you went to get your money, where did you go
8 to get your money?
9 A. The cashier was on the first floor. In between my office
10 and the cashier we had a telephone strong room and then the
11 lifts. So behind the lifts we had the cashier's office. So
12 that is where I went to get my money. The first thing in the
13 morning, immediately after the cashier had opened I took about
14 15 minutes before I went there. And so when I went there, I
15 found a queue of other people in the queue, the people who
16 wanted to cash their money for the weekend, some Americans who
17 wanted to go on a safari, like a tour or something, and also
18 the consular lady, the cashier who takes the money from Visa
19 applicants also was there.
20 So the queue was long when I went in the first time.
21 I decided to come back to the office and finish up sending
22 e-mails to my staff. When I went back the second time, the
23 queue was still long. That's when the lady spotted me, the
24 cashier, and shouted. Because back in Nairobi I was the
25 president of foreign service national, the non-Americans who
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1 work at the American Embassy, so I was the president. So when
2 I was leaving, they knew that I will be out. And so she saw
3 me and just welcomed me, please come, come, come and join the
4 queue. You don't need to sit in the queue, come and be at the
5 front. I want you to be served first because your flight is
6 at 11. And so I did not have to wait in the queue, I just
7 went to the front to be served first by the cashier.
8 Q. Do you recall about what time that was?
9 A. That was about 10:15, 16, 25, there, because I did not --
10 it did not take -- it was about 10:25 because it did not take
11 me about five or so minutes before everything went.
12 MR. BUTLER: Can we publish Government Exhibit 801D
13 again, please.
14 Q. Mr. Mimba, could you point out for the jury where the
15 embassy cashier's office is located on Government Exhibit
16 801D.
17 A. Where is the gate to the embassy here? I can't tell.
18 Q. If you look to the bottom left-hand corner of the screen
19 and move upward, do you see where the embassy cashier's office
20 is?
21 A. Now, which -- I don't know how this is --
22 Q. Let's ignore this. We're having some difficulty with
23 this.
24 Where did the embassy cashier's office face? Do you
25 know? Did it face on --
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1 A. It was facing the cooperative building side.
2 Q. So it was on the first floor. Was it in the rear of the
3 embassy?
4 A. Yes, in the rear of the embassy, yes.
5 Q. What happened after you left the embassy cashier's office?
6 A. After I left the embassy, I know the lady haggled me
7 because she was really nice. So I just said bye to the people
8 who were in the queue. I told them I was sorry the lady made
9 me jump the queue. So they were all students, they were all
10 laughing because the lady was still joking and funny.
11 So after leaving the queue, I was heading back to my
12 office. I went back to my office, put the per diem, the money
13 I had in my briefcase, then I came out. As I came out of my
14 office, I met another lady. She used to work at the personnel
15 office, the lady Lucy Onono, and she stopped me. Then she
16 called me chairman. President there is like the same as
17 chairman. She called me chairman. I understand you are going
18 to Nakra. I said yes. What are you going to bring me?
19 That's what everybody was asking for, because if I go out
20 there, it's like I'm a father, I'm supposed to bring everybody
21 gifts and stuff like that.
22 Q. After you had this conversation with her, what did you do?
23 A. That is right in front of my office, facing the cashier,
24 because when you are slightly in front of my office, you
25 could -- there was a path through to the cashier's office. So
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1 you could see the people, like you go straight on and then you
2 turn right to get to the queue. And so I had just come from
3 my office when I met Lucy.
4 Q. After you met Lucy, what did you do next?
5 A. After I met Lucy, I promised her, yes, I'll bring -- then
6 she told me to bring her an African dress and I told her I
7 would do so.
8 Q. Where did you go after your conversation with Lucy? What
9 did you do after that?
10 A. I went to my office then. I received a call from the late
11 Julian Bartley and Julian insisted that he wanted to see me
12 off. The previous night we had stayed with Julien until
13 around 10:30 at night. He was a good friend of mine. He
14 liked me and he used to tell me all about his background, how
15 he was raised up, how he admires the way I work hard, and they
16 encouraged me that I should keep on working hard, even told me
17 how he was raised up, how he went to school. The first day he
18 went to high school, I think the president asked him --
19 Q. Mr. Mimba, let's move on to --
20 MR. COHN: Your Honor --
21 Thank you.
22 Q. Where were you around 10:30 that morning?
23 A. Around 10:30 I was right in front of my office. After
24 talking to this lady, then I was -- I went back to my office,
25 was trying to send an E-mail, and then I heard the first
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1 explosion. It came like a tremor. And I don't know, somehow
2 I thought it was something outside the embassy. So I --
3 somebody asked, what was that? Then I said, I think it's a
4 bomb, but I think it's somewhere. There's a place called
5 Lamaru, which is many miles from Nairobi, some miles from
6 Nairobi.
7 Q. So after you heard the first explosion, what happened
8 next?
9 A. Then people were rushing to the window. Then I thought
10 about locking my office before I could also join them. So I
11 was heading towards the open area, which was on the Budget
12 section, to see what people were going to see. And on my way
13 there, there was a computer room, which was a sealed room. On
14 my way there, just reaching the corner, that's when the second
15 deadly explosion came and --
16 Q. And what happened after the explosion came?
17 A. I didn't know where I was. I lost -- I didn't know. I --
18 the house came on me because the ceiling came on me. I was
19 thrown down. The house was dark. It was dusty. It was
20 smoky. Choking because the duct smoke somehow choked me, and
21 I could not open my eyes. I cannot see nothing.
22 Then I went down. I was thrown down. Then the
23 bodies were burying me. Then I heard people cry and some of
24 them were -- I could hear, I could get their voices and could
25 know, that's so and so's voice, but I could not open my eyes.
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1 I could not breathe. I could not do nothing. Though I
2 prayed. I said a prayer, about three seconds, that, Lord,
3 just take my soul.
4 Then I remembered, I fumbled for my I.D. because I
5 remembered my dad and my brothers loved me so much that I
6 would want them to see my body. And so I was looking for a
7 form of identification where if I'm found, they would get an
8 I.D. It didn't occur to me that an I.D. would burn if the
9 house burns.
10 Q. Were you eventually able to get outside the embassy?
11 A. Yes. I started crawling after that when I could feel like
12 I was alive, I started crawling because I was choking. I
13 started moving torwards a place I could get fresh air.
14 Then all of a sudden I felt a breeze come from a
15 direction. I didn't want to open my eyes. I didn't want to
16 breathe. I started crawling towards that place. I didn't
17 know where it was. Then after reaching that place, I realized
18 there was a cold breeze coming from outside. So I started
19 moving towards that side. It was the window that had been
20 blown.
21 So as I moved, and I wanted to like keep moving, I
22 realized that I was at the edge. Then I slept there for some
23 time. I was shaking. When I opened my eyes, I saw the
24 garden, a green garden. I said, where am I? As I was moving
25 toward the window, I could feel people's -- could feel bodies
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1 of the dead people.
2 Q. Were you able to get outside the embassy to the garden?
3 A. Yes. After that, then I realized that I was looking for
4 an I.D., I could not get it, I would like my dad to see my
5 body, so I have to jump, to die outside. So I looked at where
6 I was going to jump. It was far, and I closed my eyes because
7 I didn't know where I was going to die. I wanted my body to
8 be found by my dad. So I just closed my eyes and then jumped
9 through the window.
10 Then I landed on, on something, a sharp object. I
11 think it's the stand that was making the flowers stand upright
12 there. They were metallic, kind of. So I had something cut
13 me, my back and my knee and here. Then I went down. I was
14 not conscious for some time. When I raised my head, I
15 realized that I did not die.
16 Q. What did you see when you were outside the embassy?
17 A. When I came down, I saw like it was not the embassy that
18 has been bombed. Somehow I saw so many things, like the
19 houses. Then I realized that I thought the world was coming
20 to an end. I didn't know, I didn't know where I was.
21 Then I realized that if I sleep down there, I was
22 going to be buried because somehow I had the feeling that this
23 building is going to burn down. So I jumped. I climbed the
24 fence again. Then I jumped over to the pavement and I landed
25 out at the pavement next to the parking lot.
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1 Q. What did you see in the roadway on the roundabout outside
2 the parking lot?
3 A. Outside the parking lot I saw so many people. Then as I
4 was lying down there I could see people run, running towards
5 my direction. Some were coming from the other direction.
6 Then there was this man who was running and he didn't
7 know that his intestine was out. His belly's been chopped off
8 so he's trying to hold onto his intestine at the same time
9 he's running.
10 Then when I came down, I saw an American lady and two
11 kids, two daughters. She's within the fence, crying for help.
12 Then she's crying, please help me, please help, help my kids,
13 help. Then I, after lying down, another object almost came on
14 me somehow, some object was flying down. I thought it was a
15 helicopter that's been sent to help people. I didn't know, it
16 was like something that was going to bang. I just missed me
17 and I rolled under it.
18 Q. What, if anything, happened to the lady and the two
19 children?
20 A. When I heard these kids cry, then I decided to run back
21 towards the embassy. Then I tried to pass my hand to reach
22 the kids. They were crying. They didn't know me. Their
23 mother is also crying. Then the mother convinced them,
24 please, honey, go, go, go, get out of here, go.
25 Then I, together with an American called Bob Gaudy,
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1 we moved next to the fence and we were able to lift the kid.
2 I passed my hand inside the fence. Then we were able to lift
3 the kid up to the sharp end and took the two daughters out.
4 I don't know whether the lady survived. I don't know
5 who she was. What I know is we were able to get the two girls
6 out to an ambulance that was somewhere.
7 Q. Did you go back into the embassy after this?
8 A. Yes. After this I tried to run away towards the railway
9 station to, like go out. As I was running, I realized there
10 was a Kenyan bus and another school bus that was shut down
11 where I could see everybody was dead, the driver. Then I said
12 wherever I go, I don't think I'm going to survive. Let me go
13 and save my colleagues in there who were still trapped.
14 So I headed back to the embassy and I saw a Marine by
15 the stair. He had a gun and he's crying also. He had -- I
16 think he was in pain. And then I tried to go and he told me,
17 please don't come in this house, it's weak. But I insisted.
18 When I went back in -- then I sneaked and went back in. Then
19 I sneaked to the first floor. That was where my office was,
20 and I, I --
21 Q. Why don't we publish what has been previously marked as
22 Government Exhibit 806A.
23 Mr. Mimba, is that you in that photograph in
24 Government Exhibit 806A?
25 A. Yeah.
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1 Q. And what's depicted in Government Exhibit 806A?
2 A. Your Honor, when I went to the first floor, the whole
3 place was squared. I could not open my eyes because I was
4 still choking, but I was fumbling for any, any, something,
5 anybody I could get. I was moving, kneeling, I'd been
6 crawling down and feeling the bodies. They're all dead.
7 Then another lady, I think -- I started calling out,
8 is anybody out there? Please, can you hear me? Can anybody
9 hear me? Then as I was heading back, another lady called me:
10 George, George, please help me. I did not want to open my
11 eyes. I did not want to -- so I started moving towards in the
12 direction where the sound had come from.
13 And as I was moving, feeling the bodies, I held to
14 something that made a move and I yelled, I said, this is the
15 lady who called me. I did not look at what I had held, I just
16 held the object tightly and started pulling the body, heading
17 back to where I had come from. When I came down and people
18 came down to help me, then I realized that the person I had
19 helped was a man. And the lady's voice kept coming back to
20 me.
21 Q. Do you know who this person was that you assisted out of
22 the building?
23 A. I don't know. I don't know, sir. It's been haunting me.
24 I really wanted to know if he survived.
25 MR. BUTLER: No further questions, your Honor.
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1 THE COURT: Any cross-examination?
2 MR. COHN: No.
3 THE COURT: Thank you. You may step down.
4 (Witness excused)
5 THE COURT: Government may call its next witness.
6 MR. BUTLER: Government calls Samuel, NGANGA, your
7 Honor.
8 SAMMY NGANGA,
9 called as a witness by the government,
10 having been duly sworn, testified as follows:
11 DEPUTY CLERK: Please be seated. Please state your
12 full name.
13 THE WITNESS: Sammy Nganga.
14 DEPUTY CLERK: Please spell your last name.
15 THE WITNESS: N-G-A-N-G-A.
16 BY THE COURT:
17 Q. Sir, if I could ask you to please try to keep your voice
18 up and speak, if you could, into the microphone, okay?
19 A. Yes.
20 Q. How old are you, sir?
21 A. I'm about 53 years.
22 Q. And where were you born?
23 A. Born in Kenya.
24 Q. Have you lived in Kenya your whole life?
25 A. I have lived in Kenya my whole life.
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1 Q. Going back to August of 1998, how were you employed?
2 A. In August of 1998 I was office at Ufundi Cooperative
3 House.
4 Q. If you could just maybe lean forward a little bit into the
5 microphone and try to keep your voice up, sir.
6 So you were in your office in Ufundi Cooperative
7 House?
8 A. Yes.
9 Q. And what type of business were you in?
10 A. When I was there around 10:30, I had --
11 Q. Mr. Nganga, what type of business were you in?
12 A. About 10:30.
13 Q. What business? What was your business in the Ufundi
14 House?
15 A. I was doing business of governmental. I was a
16 governmental dealer.
17 Q. And where was your office located?
18 A. The office was located Ufundi Cooperative House.
19 Q. Where in the Ufundi House?
20 A. First floor.
21 Q. And where in relationship to the American Embassy was it?
22 A. It was just adjacent to the American Embassy.
23 Q. Do you recall where you were about 10:30 in the morning on
24 August 7?
25 A. Yes.
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1 Q. Where were you?
2 A. I was in my office.
3 Q. And what do you recall happening around 10:30 on August
4 7th?
5 A. When I was in the office I heard a loud explosion, and we
6 were four of us in the office. I rushed out to the balcony to
7 see what it was, and before I could reach the balcony, another
8 powerful explosion occurred and I found myself down in the
9 rubble of the house.
10 Q. Let's go back just a moment. You say you heard an
11 explosion, correct?
12 A. Yes.
13 Q. And then you went out to the balcony of the Ufundi House?
14 A. Ufundi House.
15 Q. Where was that balcony located?
16 A. It was located on the first floor of the Ufundi House.
17 Q. And what did it look out onto?
18 A. I didn't reach the balcony which was overlooking the
19 American Embassy, I didn't reach it. Then another explosion
20 occurred, powerful explosion occurred, and I was buried.
21 Q. And then there was the second explosion?
22 A. Yes.
23 Q. And what happened after the second explosion?
24 A. After the second explosion, everything became dark. I was
25 buried in the rubble.
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1 Q. And what happened after you were buried in the rubble?
2 A. After I was buried in the rubble, I heard a quick -- I
3 went to my down to my pocket. I had matchbooks and I wanted
4 to see my position. And I found myself, I had spared about
5 four feet, four feet high and four feet wide.
6 So I then, so I was very hot and I started doing my
7 first aid. I tied my legs, the bones which were already
8 protruding from the skin. I tied the legs and then I tied my
9 leg, broken leg, to my right leg, which I hung up, and so I
10 started digging for the other foot. I was really tired and I
11 slept.
12 When I woke up, I, after sleeping, I dreamt having
13 been rescued. But when I woke up, I found myself in the same
14 position I was in the same in the rubble. So I just then,
15 before I could think about anything, I started -- I heard
16 another lady who was trapped inside. And we started
17 communicating with the lady who was trapped in the other
18 building where I was.
19 So after conversing with the lady for some time, then
20 the rescuers, I started communicating with the rescuers who
21 were on top. And they kept updating the movement, how they
22 were trying to rescue us and so that we could not worry, so
23 they were about to rescue us. I stayed there until I was, I
24 stayed there until I was rescued on the 9th, on the 9th of
25 August.
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2 A. Saturday.
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1 Q. So you were under the rubble from Friday August 7 till
2 Sunday August 9?
3 A. Up to the 9th.
4 Q. Will you publish what has been marked and admitted into
5 evidence as Government Exhibit 806-I.
6 Do you recognize Government Exhibit 806-I?
7 A. Yes.
8 Q. What is Government Exhibit 806-I?
9 A. That's rubble of the Ufundi house.
10 Q. Again, could you please sir, just lean forward a little
11 bit into the microphone so everybody can hear you?
12 A. This is the collapse of the Ufundi cooperative house.
13 Q. And how were you rescued sir?
14 A. What?
15 Q. Could you please just describe for the jury how you were
16 rescued?
17 A. The rescue part was a difficult one, and I had to keep on
18 banging the walls so that the rescuers could know where I was
19 located, and so sometimes they tell me to bang the wall, I had
20 to bang the wall. They tell me when they had to come around
21 they had to cut holes and he had torch and ask me where I
22 could see the light. So I could not see the light. They kept
23 on changing positions. Here I could see the light. So when
24 they asked me how long the light was I told them because about
25 four foot from where I was, but they asked me, could I hold
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1 them, I could not because my leg was already was broken.
2 I could not walk and I was badly off. And so they
3 came here and then they cut another hole, this where I could
4 see them on the top. So though I was talking they thought
5 where I was near and they followed me to where I was. So they
6 followed where I was talking. I was very badly off, and they
7 told me to give them my hand.
8 So I lifted my hand and they took my hand. Then I
9 forgot that I already tied my leg with a, my leg was broken so
10 I had to snatch it, and then I hit myself because I had a lot
11 of pain, and so then they find a way of coming down to where I
12 was. But it was difficult because there was no space, so they
13 had to leave so they could come and then they were cutting
14 some holes, cutting holes through. One of them was able to
15 come down to where I was.
16 Q. Now, were you communicating with this woman that you had
17 spoken about during this time?
18 A. The woman I was I came to know her as Lois, but
19 unfortunately she was not saved. She wanted to come out
20 before I was rescued, but I told her I was, it was a lock on
21 my side, so I told her I could just, they were nearer her and
22 they could rescue her. So I left her with a promise that they
23 had to rescue her within two hours, maybe because I thought
24 they could pass the same hole, but, unfortunately, they
25 couldn't, so it was not.
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1 Q. What was her name?
2 A. Lois Gadignu.
3 MR. BUTLER: No further questions, your Honor.
4 THE COURT: Thank you, sir. You may step down.
5 (Witness excused)
6 MR. BUTLER: The government calls Father John Kiongo.
7 JOHN KIONGO KARIUKI,
8 called as a witness by the government,
9 having been duly sworn, testified as follows:
10 DIRECT EXAMINATION
11 BY MR. BUTLER:
12 Q. Father Kiongo, if I could ask you to just keep your voice
13 up and try to speak directly into the microphone. You're a
14 Catholic priest, sir?
15 A. Yes, sir.
16 Q. And where are you a priest?
17 A. In Nairobi diocese Kenya.
18 Q. Have you lived in Kenya your entire life?
19 A. Yes.
20 Q. And do you recall where you were on the morning of August
21 7, 1998?
22 A. Yes.
23 Q. And where was that?
24 A. I was in the Ruta parish where I am based in Nairobi.
25 Q. Where did you go that morning?
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1 A. That morning I went to the American embassy in town.
2 Q. And why did you go to the American embassy?
3 A. I went to the embassy because my brother was working at
4 the embassy and my niece wanted to go to America the following
5 week for studies.
6 Q. What did your brother do at the embassy?
7 A. He was working at the embassy, shipping department.
8 Q. In the shipping department?
9 A. Yes.
10 Q. About how old was your niece at the time?
11 A. Beg your pardon?
12 Q. About how old was your niece at the time?
13 A. She was 23 or so.
14 Q. What happened when you got to the embassy?
15 A. When we got, when I got the embassy, my brother came for
16 me downstairs, so we went to his office and before that we had
17 made a collection, and I was carrying the money so I was going
18 to take him to give him the money, so that he can be able to
19 buy the thing necessary for paying school fees when my niece
20 came to America.
21 Q. And where was your brother's office located, if you
22 recall?
23 A. I think it was first floor.
24 Q. And do you know which side of the building it was on?
25 A. That was, that was on the, it was not the left side of the
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2 Q. Do you know what you saw when you looked out from your
3 brother's office?
4 A. Yes, when I looked out I saw the parking lot.
5 Q. The rear parking lot?
6 A. Yes.
7 Q. How many people were in your brother's office that
8 morning?
9 A. My brother had a big office, but on the corner was his
10 compartment, a small one, and so I was with him and my niece
11 we are three, but the other bigger office there are about six
12 people.
13 Q. And what happened while you were visiting with your
14 brother and your niece that morning?
15 A. When we, we counted the money, it was about 400,000 Kenya
16 shilling, and then my niece came later on because she came
17 after me, and then we were trying to see how the bank draft,
18 how many we are going to buy for her to come to pay for school
19 fees.
20 And then when we had done that, then my brother told
21 me, I think now, Father, you can go because Theresa can do the
22 rest. She will take this money. She will take this forms
23 downstairs to the bank and then she will get the necessary
24 things, and so that was that.
25 I did rise up when we heard a loud bang and then we
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1 stood up to look to see what happened downstairs. So we
2 looked, and for me it was an ordinary parking, but my brother
3 was saying that man is shooting that, that man is shooting.
4 What is going on there? So I was very worried. I wasn't
5 happy. I was worried.
6 And I sat down, and I held my face like this, and I
7 said a prayer because I knew this was the embassy, it was like
8 the foreign country, and might be things, if things go wrong,
9 then we don't know where we are going to end.
10 Q. Then what happened after that?
11 A. After that, there was now big thing that came, and then we
12 all shuddered to almost to death.
13 Q. You say you shouted. What happened after this explosion?
14 A. After the explosion everything fell down and when
15 everything fell on me, the desk, I don't know whether the
16 doors and I felt I was somewhere very far away, somewhere very
17 far away, nobody could hear me even when I was shouting.
18 Q. And did you hear anything at the time? Did you hear
19 anybody speaking to you?
20 A. Now, it's only after sometime then I heard people come,
21 and people saying, this one is not dead, this one is not dead,
22 get this one, and leave those who are dead alone.
23 So I knew from there my brother must have died, and
24 my niece is dead. And they took me out, and my right hand was
25 almost off, and so it was very painful, I had to cry out,
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1 because my, when my left hand was badly damaged, I could not
2 see. Also, I had lost sight, but I could hear a lot of
3 crying, a lot of noise, people praying, and people crying, and
4 so forth.
5 Q. And what happened to your brother and your niece?
6 A. They died.
7 MR. BUTLER: No further questions your Honor.
8 THE COURT: Is there cross-examination?
9 Thank you, Father. You may step down.
10 MR. BUTLER: The government calls Tobias Otieno.
11 TOBIAS OTIENO,
12 called as a witness by the government,
13 having been duly sworn, testified as follows:
14 DIRECT EXAMINATION
15 BY MR. BUTLER:
16 Q. Mr. Otieno, if I could ask you to lean forward just a
17 little bit, keep your voice up and speak directly into the
18 microphone.
19 How old are you, sir?
20 A. I am 51 years old.
21 Q. Where were you born?
22 A. When was I born?
23 Q. Where were you born?
24 A. I was born in Kenya.
25 Q. Have you lived in Kenya your whole life?
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1 A. Yes, sir.
2 Q. How are you employed?
3 A. I'm employed by the US embassy in the Department of
4 Commerce as a commercial specialist.
5 Q. And how long have you been employed by the American
6 embassy?
7 A. This is my 30th.
8 Q. And were you at the embassy on August 7, 1998?
9 A. Yes, sir, I was at the embassy on August 7, 1998.
10 Q. Where is your office located?
11 A. My office was located behind the entrance, the ground
12 floor, that be directly behind the entrance front of the
13 embassy.
14 Q. And how many people work in your office?
15 A. At the time of August we are about, we are eight people.
16 Q. Do you recall what happened on the morning of August 7,
17 1998?
18 A. Yes, I can recall. It was a Friday, and around -- I was
19 in the office you know as usual on that day. And at around
20 10:30 a.m. I was on my desk together with my colleague who was
21 also sharing the office with me, and also another friend who
22 also was working at the embassy. So we were about three
23 people in the office at that time. And about 10:30 as I was
24 saying, we heard an explosion from behind the office and all
25 of us were curious about the explosion.
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1 We all asked what was the noise about or what was the
2 explosion, because we wanted to know. And it was what we
3 thought was a tire bus, you know, some huge tire bus behind
4 the office. And just within seconds after that initial
5 explosion, another big explosion erupted in the building and
6 we, within seconds the whole lights, the whole building shook,
7 and terrible outbreak.
8 I thought it was the end of the world. Really I
9 thought it was the end of the world, and in the Christian
10 sense I thought you know God has come to take his people,
11 because I didn't know what it was, and --
12 Q. What happened to you, Mr. Otieno?
13 A. I was thrown back on my chair, and I landed somewhere
14 which I didn't know, but I came to realize I came to learn
15 later that, you know, I was still sitting on the chair, but
16 what happened to me was that I lost my eyesight, the whole
17 thing went dark, my head was hot, my stomach I felt was bust,
18 and I lost, I lost all sense of relation at that time.
19 Q. How did you get out of the embassy?
20 A. After one minute or two minutes I heard the people crying
21 within the building, and I said, here I am. There are also
22 people crying for help, so my only salvation is also to cry
23 for help. So I join the others in the cry for help. And
24 somebody from behind me came and said, I will help you. So
25 the person came and they held my right hand, because my left
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1 hand was already gone, and led me towards climbing the debris.
2 And we went, we reach a wall which he asked me to
3 climb, and I tried to climb it with all my effort, and we were
4 on the wall until we reached a point where he asked me to jump
5 on the ground, and from there when I jump on the ground some
6 people who I later learned to be military or Marines helped me
7 into a waiting ambulance when I was taken to hospital.
8 Q. What injuries did you sustain as a result of the bombing?
9 A. I, my eyes, all my eyes were shattered by the exploding
10 glasses, I shattered my eyes, I lost my vision, and then I
11 lost my left hand on the wrist was severed off. It was
12 hanging by a thread, and I my four upper teeth, and several
13 wounds on my face and body.
14 Q. And what happened to your colleagues in the commercial
15 office?
16 A. Two of my colleagues died right there in the building, and
17 one colleague who was with me also within the building at the
18 time also suffered serious eye injuries similar to my
19 injuries, and, you know, body wound as well.
20 MR. BUTLER: No further questions, your Honor.
21 THE COURT: Thank you. You may step down.
22 (Witness excused)
23 MR. BUTLER: The government calls Staff Sgt. Daniel
24 Briehl.
25 DANIEL M. BRIEHL,
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2 having been duly sworn, testified as follows:
3 DIRECT EXAMINATION
4 BY MR. BUTLER:
5 Q. Staff Sgt. Briehl, if I could just ask you to keep your
6 voice up and lean toward the microphone when you answer so
7 everybody can hear you. Thank you.
8 What branch of the service are you with, sir?
9 A. United States Marine Corp.
10 Q. How long have you been a Marine?
11 A. I've been in the Marine Corp for a little over six years.
12 Q. How old are you now?
13 A. I'm 30 years old.
14 Q. Where are you presently stationed?
15 A. I'm stationed in California at this time.
16 Q. And where were you stationed before California?
17 A. I was stationed as a Marine security guard in Nairobi
18 Kenya.
19 Q. And how long were you in Nairobi Kenya as a Marine
20 security guard?
21 A. I was there for 15 months.
22 Q. And what time period is that?
23 A. I reported there about three months before the bombing.
24 Q. Where were you on August 7, 1998?
25 A. I was in front of the embassy waiting on a Marine who just
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2 Q. To be clear, were you on duty that day?
3 A. No, I was off.
4 Q. And who were you with?
5 A. I was with the Marine driver, Sgt. Aaron Russell, myself,
6 and Jesse Alanga.
7 Q. What were you doing at the embassy that morning?
8 A. Sgt. Alanga had to cash a check at the bank and they were
9 going to go shopping that day.
10 Q. And where were you situated around 10:30 in the morning?
11 A. We were parked in front of the embassy in the front
12 parking lot facing the street.
13 Q. And what happened around 10:30 in the morning?
14 A. Sgt. Alanga was in the building longer then I expected him
15 to be, and I exited the vehicle and was going to walk in the
16 embassy and see what was taking him so long, when I heard some
17 gun fire, went back to the vehicle, and got Sgt. Russell out
18 of the vehicle.
19 I thought something was happening, maybe a carjacking
20 or a bank robbery. But just to be safe we were going to go
21 inside the building. And then we heard an explosion kind of
22 like a back fire, but a little bit louder, and then the
23 explosion happened.
24 Q. After the explosion happened, what did you do?
25 A. We ended up diving under a vehicle in the front parking
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1 lot for cover from falling debris, concrete, windows and such,
2 and then we got up off the ground, and ran into the front
3 steps of the building.
4 Q. And what did you do when you went into the building?
5 A. When I entered the building I could not see the Marine on
6 post one at all. Post one there was a lot of, it was
7 completely dark, a lot of soot. And I started calling his
8 name through the drop box, which is a small box where you can
9 slide IDs back and forth. I was getting no response. I look
10 to my left and saw some people trying to get out of the
11 counsulate section who were getting visas that day and they
12 were trying to exit the entrance door, which is a one-way door
13 only.
14 Sgt. Russell then began to guide them to the correct
15 door for them to leave the building. None of them seemed to
16 be badly banged up, and they got out of the building. My next
17 concern was seeing inside the embassy itself.
18 Q. Did you eventually get inside the embassy itself?
19 A. Yes. We entered the embassy and did not get inside post
20 one, as it's being locked and could not still see the Marine
21 on post one. I next tried to go to our reaction room where we
22 keep our gear at and to set off a perimeter around the
23 building.
24 There was rubble from the floor to the ceiling behind
25 post one in my way. I tried climbing over this, and the pile
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1 giving way, I slid down and expected to hit the floor, which I
2 didn't. I fell through open elevator shaft that had the door
3 blown off of it and proceeded to fall two stories down on to
4 my back.
5 Q. And what happened to you after you fell down this elevator
6 shaft two stories?
7 A. At that point I told myself I needed to get up. I didn't
8 land on the elevator, therefore, it was probably above me. I
9 worried about that or secondary explosion. I could see some
10 light coming in from the hallway. The doors were still closed
11 but partly open. I pulled myself up and pushed the doors
12 opened, and found some people in the hallway. Told them what
13 had happened, and that we needed to get them out of the
14 building and to a secure location and get them medical
15 treatment as they needed it.
16 Q. And what did you do next?
17 A. I then climbed the steps and found Sgt. Russell again
18 upstairs. And I was bleeding from my arm and my hand, and I
19 also had a pain in my back from the fall. He told me that
20 they were evaccing people to the hospitals and that they it
21 under control and he thought I should go get medical
22 attention.
23 Q. And did you go get medical attention at that time?
24 A. I went outside to where some of the doctors were, and I
25 saw some people running that way. I'll never forget a face of
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2 in blood. And I told myself that I could still stand, I could
3 still do my job, and I went back up on the steps then and put
4 a set of gear on and took post on the front steps for a while.
5 Q. What happened to Sgt. Alanga?
6 A. Sgt. Alanga was found the next day, approximately 10 in
7 the morning, in an area of about four feet of rubble.
8 Q. Did he survive the bombing?
9 A. No, he did not.
10 MR. BUTLER: No further questions, your Honor.
11 MR. COHN: Briefly, your Honor.
12 THE COURT: Yes. Mr. Cohn on behalf of defendant
13 Al-'Owhali.
14 CROSS-EXAMINATION
15 BY MR. COHN:
16 Q. Thank you your Honor.
17 Sgt. Briehl, when you approached the embassy that day
18 did you notice, is there something called a swing bar at the
19 entrance?
20 A. Yes, there is.
21 Q. And did you notice something particular about the swing
22 bar that morning as you came in?
23 A. It was nothing wrong with the swing bar in the front
24 entrance.
25 Q. Excuse me?
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1 A. There was nothing to notice about the swing bar.
2 Q. Well, was the -- the swing bar is normally in a position
3 where it has to be unlocked, is that right?
4 A. It's in a down position. It has to be opened for a
5 vehicle to enter.
6 Q. That's right. And on that morning did you, do you recall
7 that the swing bar had been removed that morning?
8 A. The swing bar in front of the embassy was opened for us
9 when we drove up. It was intact.
10 Q. Well, let me show you, if I may, a report 3518-2.
11 May I approach the witness, your Honor?
12 THE COURT: Yes.
13 Q. If you'll take a look, Sgt. Briehl, at the third
14 paragraph. Read it to yourself. Don't worry about the
15 handwriting on the side. Just read it to yourself.
16 (Pause)
17 After reading that, do you, does that change your
18 recollection about what you saw that day?
19 A. No, it does not. The embassy was in charge of two swing
20 bars. There was one in the front and one in the rear. This
21 swing bar that I'm mentioning in the statement belonged to the
22 cooperative bank as it says, and so there was three swing bars
23 in the immediate area of the embassy. This one was towards
24 the rear of the building.
25 MR. COHN: All right. Thank you. I have nothing
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2 THE COURT: Thank you. You may step down.
3 (Witness excused)
4 MR. BUTLER: Your Honor, I believe the next witness
5 needs a Swahili interpreter. I would ask the interpreter to
6 come forward. The government calls Pinanah Muhoho.
7 PININAH MUHOHO,
8 called as a witness by the government,
9 having been duly sworn, testified through
10 the interpreter as follows:.
11 DIRECT EXAMINATION
12 BY MR. BUTLER:
13 Q. Ma'am, where were you born?
14 A. West side.
15 Q. Is that in Kenya?
16 A. Yes.
17 Q. Have you lived in Kenya your entire life?
18 A. Yes.
19 Q. Do you recall where you were on the morning of August 7,
20 1998?
21 A. Yes.
22 Q. Where were you?
23 A. Ugi.
24 Q. Do you recall where you were about 10:30 in the morning on
25 August 7, 1998?
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1 A. Yes.
2 Q. Where was that?
3 A. I was coming from Ugi and I was coming through, from Ugi
4 went to the road call Haile Selassie. And we, I reached this
5 the bus station and the bus stopped there. We stopped there
6 at the bus station and there is a truck came by, there is a
7 car came passing out, stopped near to us.
8 Q. What type of vehicle were you in?
9 A. It was a bus.
10 Q. And you were located on Haile Selassie Avenue?
11 A. Yes.
12 Q. And where were you in relationship to the American
13 embassy?
14 A. I was in the bus stop near to the American embassy.
15 Q. And what did you see at that time?
16 A. It was a jam of so many cars and behind us was a pickup.
17 Q. And what did the pickup do?
18 A. The pickup came and it came up to the stairs, one stairs
19 where they were standing near the embassy of the American
20 embassy. When it went up to the stairs, the pickup went up
21 one of the stairs and we are there standing, was which at the
22 bus station and they heard this paw.
23 And I some people start running and some people start
24 laying down on the floor. And the person I was sitting near
25 to me asked me, do you know what is that? Is a bomb. And the
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1 person who was in the car came out from the pickup, came out
2 and stand on top of the, at the door. He open the door and he
3 stand on top there. And they took out something long like
4 this size (indicating). And he was targeting like the upper,
5 the upper floor of the house.
6 Q. And then did you hear a second explosion?
7 A. After he stood up over there and he did with two hands and
8 a lot of noise came out, pop pop. And then he walk up to the
9 main door again to the stairs and again he did paw paw, and it
10 came out like a thunder storm.
11 Q. What happened to you after this thunder storm that you
12 heard?
13 A. And after that we was coming, we was running out of the
14 bus, and all of us was fall down. And after that I heard one
15 of the kids crying, help me, help me. And the other woman was
16 saying, help me.
17 And then I touch my mouth and I found that I don't
18 have no teeth in my mouth. And I asked for help and pray.
19 And one person came and pulled her by hand, and then I heard
20 other people crying. And they tried, they pull us to the end
21 of the car and there was another person.
22 Q. And Ms. Muhoho, did you lose your eyesight as a result of
23 the injuries that you suffered in the blast?
24 A. In the time they was taking us and another woman to the
25 hospital that I realize I lost even my eyes.
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1 MR. BUTLER: No further questions, your Honor.
2 THE COURT: Thank you. You may step down.
3 (Witness excused)
4 MR. BUTLER: The government calls Elijah Mutie Mue.
5 ELIJAH MUTIE MUE,
6 called as a witness by the government,
7 having been duly sworn, testified as follows:
8 Q. How old are you, sir?
9 A. I'm now 37 years.
10 Q. Where were you born?
11 A. I was born in the Katri district, that's in Kenya.
12 Q. Have you lived in Kenya your entire life?
13 A. Yeah, I have been there my whole life.
14 Q. And where are you presently employed?
15 A. I'm presently employed by Kenya secretarial consultants.
16 Q. And how long have you had that job?
17 A. What?
18 Q. How long have you been employed at the present position?
19 A. It should be now around from 1994, around, about eight
20 years now.
21 Q. If I could just ask you to keep your voice up and try to
22 lean forward a little into the microphone. Thank you.
23 In August, 1998 where was your office located?
24 A. Our office was located in a building call the NHC,
25 National Housing Corporation on the first floor.
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1 Q. Where was that in relation to the American embassy?
2 A. It was about a hundred meters from there, from their
3 building.
4 Q. If we could publish what's been previously admitted into
5 evidence as Government Exhibit 805-A.
6 Look at Government Exhibit 805-A. Do you see your
7 office building there?
8 A. Yes.
9 Q. Where is it located?
10 A. There (pointing).
11 Q. If you could just describe it for the jury? Is it looking
12 to the bottom of the exhibit there you see a row of buildings
13 with a sort of bluish roof?
14 A. Yes.
15 Q. Is it located in that row of buildings there at the bottom
16 of the screen?
17 A. Yes, cooperative is a tall building next to it.
18 Q. So it's the tall building directly behind the cooperative
19 house?
20 A. Yes, yes.
21 Q. Where were you on the morning of August 7, 1998, Mr. Mue?
22 A. That morning at around 10 I was in my office which is in
23 the first floor of that building.
24 Q. And what happened on the morning of August 7, 1998?
25 A. As I was sitting there I heard some, my office is next to
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1 a window, is facing the embassy, so I heard something like gun
2 shots, and I stood from my chair, I looked out the window,
3 because I just sitting in the window:
4 Then all of a sudden, you know, I heard a very big
5 blast, I mean blast, which, you know, after that was really
6 very difficult to say what happened.
7 Q. And what happened after you heard this blast?
8 A. Well, the blast was so big that, you know, I was standing
9 behind the window, has a window pane that's metal dividing the
10 window, and, in fact, that is the one that saved me, because
11 the glass which came from the window, after the blast that
12 window fell, hit me in my chest, and the glass and cut me, you
13 know, to pieces in my face. I fell down and I lost
14 consciousness for about ten, 15 minutes.
15 Q. And what injuries did you receive as a result of the
16 bombing?
17 A. I had several lacerations on my face here (indicating). I
18 almost lost this eye. A big one here (indicating). And I
19 also had three ribs broken, because of being hit by that
20 window pane.
21 Q. And could you describe briefly the damage that your office
22 in this building sustained?
23 A. It was completely damaged because the partitions in the
24 office they all came down. The walls which were of course
25 wood partitions in the office, they came down.
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1 Q. And what kinds of businesses were located in your
2 building?
3 A. Recruitment bureau, but are also training computer, so you
4 had some computer its there.
5 MR. BUTLER: No further questions, your Honor.
6 THE COURT: Thank you. You may step down.
7 (Witness excused)
8 THE COURT: The government may call the next witness.
9 MR. BUTLER: The government calls Moses Kinyua.
10 MOSES KINYUA,
11 called as a witness by the government,
12 having been duly sworn, testified as follows:
13 DIRECT EXAMINATION
14 BY MR. BUTLER:
15 Q. Good morning, sir. I ask you to please do what you're
16 doing, which is to try to keep your voice up and speak
17 directly into the microphone. Thank you. How old are you,
18 sir?
19 A. I'm 40.
20 Q. Where were you born?
21 A. Used to work with the US embassy.
22 Q. I'm sorry. Where were you born? What country were you
23 born in?
24 A. I'm a Kenyan.
25 Q. And have you lived in Kenya your whole life?
1937
1 A. Sure.
2 Q. And you mentioned you are presently employed at the
3 American embassy?
4 A. Yeah.
5 Q. How long have you been working at the American embassy in
6 Nairobi?
7 A. For the last eight years.
8 Q. And on August 7, 1998 what job did you hold at the
9 American embassy?
10 A. I was holding a driver clerk job.
11 Q. Why don't you explain briefly to the jury what you did for
12 the embassy?
13 A. I was working with the Department of Agriculture, and we
14 used to go out for reports for trade and so on.
15 Q. Do you recall where you were on the morning of August 7,
16 1998?
17 A. I was at the embassy building.
18 Q. And what were you doing at the embassy building?
19 A. I was preparing for a trip to out of the town, up country
20 where we were going for a report.
21 Q. What happened on the morning of August 7, 1998?
22 A. During the preparation I was working in the second floor,
23 where the office was, and the vehicle was parked at the rear
24 gate of the embassy, so I was packing the vehicle and wrap ups
25 in the vehicle for the travel, and I was traveling down up and
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1 down from the office and to the vehicle.
2 On my way to the vehicle on my way back to the office
3 that's when the, this bombing happened, so I was on the
4 stairs. So I can't say much about whatever happened beyond
5 that because I lost consciousness.
6 Q. You said you didn't see anything at around the time of the
7 bombing? You were in the interior stairwell, correct?
8 A. Yes.
9 Q. And what happened to you after the bomb went off?
10 A. From the vehicle where I was the rear gate there is a
11 barrier, and another gate, and now the vehicle, my vehicle was
12 on the inner side, so --
13 Q. Let me just see if I can get you focused on the question.
14 You were at the interior stairwell. What happened to
15 you, sir, as a result of the bombing? What happened after the
16 bomb went off?
17 A. After the bombing I was hit and the head was blown open.
18 Half of it was got lost, the forehead and the ear, the eye,
19 and the rest of the part was crushed. So I lost consciousness
20 after that. So the construction was done later with the
21 plastic. So I can't say much about anything more, because I
22 lost consciousness.
23 MR. BUTLER: No further questions, your Honor.
24 THE COURT: Thank you. You may step down. We'll
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1 (In open court)
2 THE COURT: Let's bring in the jury and the next
3 witness.
4 (Pause)
5 THE COURT: While we're waiting, with respect to the
6 sketching of the faces of witnesses, the government is, in
7 advance of each day, going to give the marshals a list of
8 witnesses whose facial features are not to be sketched, and
9 the marshals will enforce that. Obviously that is a list that
10 somebody from CNN can also look at.
11 (Jury present)
12 THE COURT: Government may call its next witness.
13 MR. BUTLER: Your Honor, the government calls
14 Caroline Gicharu.
15 CAROLINE GICHURU,
16 called as a witness by the government,
17 having been duly sworn, testified as follows:
18 DEPUTY CLERK: Please be seated. Please state your
19 full name.
20 THE WITNESS: Caroline Gichuru,
21 DEPUTY CLERK: Please spell your last name.
22 THE WITNESS: G-I-C-H-U-R-U.
23 DEPUTY CLERK: U-R-U?
24 THE WITNESS: Yes.
25 DEPUTY CLERK: Thank you.
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1 DIRECT EXAMINATION
2 BY MR. BUTLER:
3 Q. Ms. Gichuru, where are you from?
4 A. I'm from Kenya.
5 Q. Have you lived in Kenya your whole life?
6 A. I was born and raised in Kenya, but I have been in the
7 U.S. on several occasions for treatment and training.
8 Q. How are you presently employed?
9 A. I'm employed at the American Embassy in Nairobi as a human
10 resources clerk.
11 Q. How long have you been employed with the American Embassy?
12 A. It will be five years May of this year.
13 Q. What was your position on August 7th, 1998, what was your
14 job?
15 A. I was a secretary to the personnel office at that time.
16 Q. Where was the personnel office located?
17 A. It was on the second floor of the embassy, which faced the
18 cooperative building.
19 Q. And how many people worked in the personnel office?
20 A. We were seven, but at that particular time, day, we were
21 six because the personnel officer was not in.
22 Q. Were you in the office on the morning of August 7th, 1998?
23 A. Yes. That time I was at my desk.
24 Q. Could you please tell us what you remember about that
25 morning.
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1 A. Yes. I had a friend who had a birthday on that Saturday,
2 and also my colleague, her name is Lucy Onono, they had a
3 wedding anniversary that weekend. So we had agreed that that
4 day we would go out and buy some cards, and at that time I was
5 on the phone calling her to find out what time she wanted us
6 to go to the bookstore and get the card.
7 My other colleagues were behind me. They were
8 working on the Xerox machine, which was not working. There
9 were three of them. And while I was on the phone, I heard a
10 loud noise outside, but I didn't wake up to go and find out
11 what was happening because at that particular time there were
12 teacher strikes and the offices were housed at the cooperative
13 building. So I didn't stand to go. And after a while, I
14 don't know how long, I just felt like I was lifted and thrown
15 somewhere. And everything went dead.
16 I was out, but I don't know for how long, and when I
17 woke up I could hear a lot of voices. I could hear sirens
18 from outside and I could smell dust and I could feel blood all
19 over me. And I remember that we were many in my office, so I
20 was looking around to see where my colleagues were. And at
21 that time I saw one of my colleague's legs hanging up in the
22 air and that time I started feeling myself, I could feel blood
23 on my face. I looked at my hand and I could see right through
24 to the bone and that's when I started screaming for help.
25 I tried standing, but I can't. There was something
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1 heavy lying on my feet so I could not stand. But after I
2 shouted, the regional security officer by that time came and
3 he helped me out of the building.
4 Q. What happened to your colleagues in the personnel office?
5 A. They all died in the bombing that day.
6 MR. BUTLER: No further questions, your Honor.
7 MR. COHN: No questions, your Honor.
8 THE COURT: Thank you, ma'am. You may step down.
9 (Witness excused)
10 MR. BUTLER: Government calls Caroline Ngugi,
11 N-G-U-G-I.
12 CAROLINE NGUGI,
13 called as a witness by the government,
14 having been duly sworn, testified as follows:
15 DEPUTY CLERK: Please be seated. Please state your
16 full name.
17 THE WITNESS: Caroline Gnugi.
18 DEPUTY CLERK: Please spell your last name.
19 THE WITNESS: N-G-U-G-I.
20 DIRECT EXAMINATION
21 BY MR. BUTLER:
22 Q. Where were you born, Ms. Ngugi? Where were you born?
23 A. I was born in Nairobi.
24 Q. Have you lived in Kenya, have you lived there in Nairobi
25 your whole life?
1952
1 A. Yes.
2 Q. Where are you presently employed?
3 A. I'm employed in U.S. embassy, the U.S. Department of
4 Agriculture.
5 A. In the foreign office, that's the residency of the United
6 States Department of Agriculture.
7 Q. How long have you been employed at the embassy?
8 A. This is my third year.
9 Q. And were you employed at the embassy on August 7th, 1998?
10 A. Yes. By that time I was only five months old in
11 employment.
12 Q. And were you working for the Department of Agriculture
13 office at that time?
14 A. Yes.
15 Q. Where was your office located?
16 A. It was on the second floor, second floor, at the corner.
17 The end of the corridor office, second floor.
18 Q. Where did it look out to?
19 A. It faced the cooperative and the Ufundi Building.
20 Q. How many people worked in the agricultural office with
21 you?
22 A. It's was an office of five people. The agricultural
23 attache, the driver, the secretary and two agricultural
24 specialists.
25 Q. Were you in your office on the morning of August 7th,
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1 1998?
2 A. Yes.
3 Q. Could you please tell us what happened on the morning of
4 August 7, 1998?
5 A. Okay. Like any other office, they were all there and
6 ready to start off our day. I used to go to college in the
7 Ufundi House, but that morning for a strange reason I decided
8 not to go.
9 My other colleague we used to share the office with,
10 my colleague, Evans Onsongo, was killed in the blast, and
11 during that morning he came in around 9. He came in late for
12 work. We normally report at 7, 7:30. He used to report at
13 7:30 at that time but he came in at 9. The agricultural
14 attache was not there. He was on home leave. He was in the
15 U.S. And it was only me in the office and the secretary and
16 now our driver had also called in late.
17 And around just before 10:30, we heard a loud bang.
18 Evans was there, I was sharing the office with him, he was
19 seated cross to the window. I was, I used to sit cross to the
20 door and the window was next to the, or near the cooperative
21 building. So we heard a loud bang and he shrugged his
22 shoulders and asked me, Carol, what's that? And I was like,
23 in Kenya the teachers were on strike and I told him, oh, those
24 must be teachers bombing the co-op house.
25 I stood up from my seat, he stood up and faced the
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1 building, and I went and leaned on him like a small baby, I
2 don't know why I did that, and from there I was -- I think we
3 were just knocked off. And I was unconscious for quite some
4 time. Then after some time I woke up and I couldn't see.
5 Part of my head was all shattered with glass and I was hot on
6 my left arm and my face was all shattered by glass. And I was
7 just breathing and the whole place was just open, it was like
8 an open.
9 I started walking towards the square. I could see
10 light and I could see his legs standing on top of the desk.
11 Me, I was under the desk, and I was desparate to, oh, God,
12 just save my soul. I woke up, and as I got towards the right
13 I grabbed on the window sill, the window from which you could
14 see outside, and just by God's luck that I didn't fall. And
15 it attracted a lot of attention from the crowd, and everybody
16 was like, don't jump, don't jump, because I could have fallen,
17 I could have just gotten down and died there.
18 And as I attracted a lot of attention, Marines from
19 somewhere stated, and just two guys came over, I remember it
20 was an American, and he carried -- he told me just come over.
21 And they carried me. There were two guys, they carried me
22 down and I was taken to the hospital.
23 Q. And the man who stood in front of you at the window, do
24 you know what happened to him?
25 A. Yeah. He was killed in the blast.
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1 MR. BUTLER: No further questions, your Honor.
2 MR. COHN: No questions, your Honor.
3 THE COURT: Thank you. You may step down.
4 (Witness excused)
5 MR. BUTLER: Government calls Dr. Gretchen McCoy,
6 your Honor.
7 DR. GRETCHEN McCOY,
8 called as a witness by the government,
9 having been duly sworn, testified as follows:
10 DEPUTY CLERK: Please be seated. Please state and
11 spell your last name.
12 THE WITNESS: Gretchen Anne McCoy, M-c-C-O-Y.
13 DIRECT EXAMINATION
14 BY MR. BUTLER:
15 Q. You're a medical doctor?
16 A. Yes.
17 Q. When did you graduate from medical school?
18 A. I graduated from medical school in 1973. Sorry, 1976.
19 Q. How are you presently employed?
20 A. I'm employed as a regional medical officer for the
21 Department of State.
22 Q. How long have you worked for the State Department?
23 A. Eight years.
24 Q. Where did you work in August of 1998?
25 A. I was working at the American Embassy in Nairobi, Kenya.
1956
1 Q. How long had you been at the American Embassy in Nairobi?
2 A. One year.
3 Q. What was your position with the embassy in Nairobi?
4 A. I was the regional medical officer there.
5 Q. What were your duties and responsibilities as the regional
6 medical officer?
7 A. About 40 percent of the time I was at the mission in
8 Nairobi and I provided care to the staff, the American staff
9 there, and also provided assistance for any injuries of
10 Kenyans related to their work. The other 60 percent of the
11 time I did administrative work, and that included traveling to
12 eight other countries and providing medical care and
13 supervising medical care for those areas.
14 Q. Where was your office located?
15 A. My office was located on, in the first sub-basement, the
16 level of the parking lot. Our offices were located on the
17 side of the building adjacent to the Aga Khan walkway. My
18 office was on the back side of the building, and the medical
19 offices extended forward toward the front of the building.
20 Q. Were you in your office on the morning of August 7, 1998?
21 A. Yes, I was.
22 Q. Who else was in the office with you at that time?
23 A. We had two other RNs that were in the office at the time
24 and a nurse practitioner that we were all co-located there.
25 We also had two small children and their mother who were in
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1 the office at the time.
2 Q. They were there for a visit?
3 A. Right.
4 Q. Could you tell the jury what you recall that happened on
5 the morning of August 7, 1998?
6 A. I was in my office on the telephone at the time and heard
7 just a very small, what turned out to be an explosion, a pop,
8 and about ten seconds later there was a huge explosion. The
9 whole building just vibrated. The lights immediately went out
10 and it was very quiet.
11 We, the staff, the nursing staff that was there, we
12 all yelled to make sure everybody was okay. Fortunately,
13 everybody was. We had one emergency light in one of the exam
14 rooms, otherwise the entire area was pitch dark. We sort of
15 gathered ourselves together. One of the nurses grabbed our
16 emergency treatment bag and we went out into the waiting area,
17 and the furniture there was all disheveled. We basically
18 crawled over that furniture.
19 The nurses went first. I grabbed the hand of Joanne
20 Husky, who was the mother that was there, and she had her two
21 children, and we attempted to exit. The nurses went up the
22 front stairway and I took the Huskys on out through a door
23 that was approximately 15 feet farther on down that exited
24 into the parking lot area.
25 The door was ajar. We managed to get that open and I
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1 could see that there was a pathway, a clear pathway that they
2 could get up the ramp area. They walked on up the ramp and I
3 went back in to make sure that everybody else was out of that
4 section of the building.
5 Q. What did you do after that?
6 A. Well, I went back in. There were some offices adjacent to
7 our offices and that were responsible for repairing
8 telephones, and there was one person in there. He was fine.
9 Got him out. And as I was exiting through the parking lot
10 door again, there was a person on the floor or on the ground
11 that we had missed when we walked out. When we first exited
12 building, there was a lot of smoke and it was very difficult
13 to see and it was very difficult to breathe, and as I said, we
14 totally missed this one person, we literally tripped over.
15 At any rate, I found her on the way out the second
16 time and basically picked her up and sort of half dragged her
17 out. I was afraid -- there was still a lot of smoke, I was
18 afraid that there was going to be a fire, and drug her out up
19 the ramp area. And the chief security officer, Paul Peterson,
20 met me and he took Carol and carried her on out to the front
21 of the building.
22 I went around to the front where the nurses were. We
23 had sort of planned to set up what's called a triage area in
24 the front parking lot. Basically that's an area that you hope
25 to have all the injured kind of go through that area, where we
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1 kind of collect them and get them transported to the hospital
2 and basic first aid applied.
3 Unfortunately, it quickly became evident that people
4 weren't coming that way. I mean, the back of the embassy was
5 basically wide open. People were being taken out, put into
6 vehicles from the back side of the mission, so we were
7 basically losing a lot of patients that way.
8 At the same time, there were some additional medical
9 staff from some of the other embassies that had arrived, so
10 the nurse practitioner and I went back into the building and
11 our two nurses stayed there. One of them subsequently took
12 patients to the hospital, Barbara Mooley.
13 Q. What did you do when you went back inside the building?
14 A. I basically tried to just start going through the areas
15 that I could get to. I went back to the back side of the
16 building, went into the basement, and there were three Kenyans
17 that were unconscious in the garage area. There were some
18 bystanders there. We managed to find some pieces of metal
19 roofing that we put these people on and got them out and
20 transported to the hospital.
21 Also, there was an American there by the name of Gary
22 Spears who had fractured his upper arm and had some shrapnel
23 injuries to the abdominal wall. We got them taken care of,
24 and then I went back into the building and went to the first
25 floor and there were two Americans that were in the GSO area,
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1 O'Connor, Michelle O'Connor and Jay Bartley, and Michelle was
2 basically decapitated from the jaw up and Jay Bartley was in
3 the doorway and his legs were basically thrown over his
4 shoulders. They were clearly dead. There was nothing more
5 that could be done for them. And continued through the
6 building.
7 A lot of areas I couldn't get into because it was
8 very dark and there was debris many feet deep, so just started
9 going through the floors. I think it was on the third or
10 fourth floor that Carolyn Reilly, we found her. She was an
11 American that was complaining of a lot of shortness of breath
12 and chest pain. We managed to find a piece of the door to get
13 her on and get her transported downstairs.
14 It was very, very difficult to get her down the
15 stairs. There were a lot of people that were on that, there
16 was a lot of debris, a lot of people that didn't belong in the
17 embassy that were coming in. So there was a lot of
18 competition for the stairs.
19 Q. Did you eventually get out of the embassy?
20 A. Yes. After I kind of went through it again, it was clear
21 that, you know, we weren't coming across anybody else that we
22 could help there that was immediately evident, so I went on to
23 Nairobi Hospital to try and locate people that were injured
24 there and make sure that they were getting proper attention.
25 Q. Could you just briefly describe what you encountered at
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1 Nairobi Hospital?
2 A. Well, as you can imagine, with the number of people that
3 were injured and killed, it was utter chaos. There were a lot
4 of people milling around in the front of the hospital. When I
5 entered into the hospital, again, the waiting area was just
6 jammed. There were people on the floor, a few people on
7 stretchers for the stretchers that they had, and basically
8 just started going through these mobs of people looking for
9 injured that we could recognize.
10 MR. BUTLER: No further questions, your Honor.
11 MR. COHN: No questions, your Honor.
12 THE COURT: Thank you, Doctor. You may step down.
13 (Witness excused)
14 MR. BUTLER: Your Honor, at this time the government
15 would like to read a stipulation.
16 THE COURT: Stipulation, yes.
17 MR. BUTLER: "It is hereby stipulated and agreed by
18 and between the United States of America, by Mary Jo White,
19 the United States Attorney for the Southern District of New
20 York, Patrick J. Fitzgerald, Kenneth M. Karas and Paul W.
21 Butler, of counsel, and defendants, by and with the consent of
22 their attorneys, as follows:
23 "1. If called as a witness, A.O. Kirase Olombe would
24 testify as follows:
25 A. He is a medical doctor who graduated from the
1962
1 University of Nairobi with a Bachelor of Medicine and Surgery
2 degree in 1998 and a Postgraduate Master of Medical Pathology
3 and Microbiology in 1993. In 1993, Dr. Olumbe joined the
4 staff of the nairobi City Mortuary. In 1995, Dr. Olumbe was
5 sponsored by the World Health Organization to attend the
6 Victoria Institute of Forensic Medicine at Monash University
7 in Melbourne, Australia. Since 1996, Dr. Olumbe has been the
8 Chief Government Pathologist at the Kenyan Ministry of Health.
9 Dr. Olumbe performs autopsies on corpses to determine the
10 cause of death. In his experience as a medical examiner,
11 Dr. Olumbe has examined persons who are killed by explosive
12 devices.
13 "B. Between August 7 and August 14, 1998, Dr. Olumbe
14 was asked to perform or supervise autopsies on 200 individuals
15 at the Nairobi City Mortuary. In summary, all of the persons
16 listed below were determined to have been killed by injures
17 resulting from a bombing.
18 "C. The bodies examined by Dr. Olumbe were
19 identified by family members as the following individuals:
20 Bonita Achola, age 22, female; Samson Oduor Ahomo,
21 age 31; male; Margaret Akinyi, age 33, female; Emma Adhiambo
22 Anulo, age 18, female; Elizabeth Anyango, age unavailable,
23 gender, female; Monicah Apondi, age 39, female; Rosetta Ivayo
24 Barasa, age 54, female; Chrispine Bonyo, age 42, male; Daniel
25 Kiprono Cheruiyot, age 28, male; Jean Rose Dalizu, age 60,
1963
1 male; Eva Nyanjau Gacheru, age 22, female; Alice Nduta
2 Gachiri, age 46, female; Jane Wangui Gakuru, age 31, female;
3 Ralph Johnstone Gathumbi, age 53, male; Justus Njeru Geoffrey,
4 age 34, male; Agnes Wanjiku Gitau, age unavailable, female;
5 Lawrence Amrose Gitau, age 48, male; Bernard Mugambi Gitunga,
6 age 25, male; Susan Wairimu Gitu, age 36, female; Rosemary
7 Njeri Gituma, age unavailable, female; Hassan Hukay Guracha,
8 age 37, male; Burhan Aden Hanshi, age 21, male; Hindu Omar
9 Iddi, age unavailable, female; Tony Kihato Irungu, age 35,
10 male; George Irungu, age 62, male; Jane Wangari Itutia, age
11 unavailable, female; Dorine Aluoch Jow, age 30, female;
12 Gilbert Mugo Kahindi, age 41, male; John Karoki Kahuthu, age
13 59, Female; Geoffrey Mulu Kalio, age unavailable, male; Joel
14 Gitumbo Kamau, age 60, male; Franci Kihara Kamiti, age 27,
15 male; Lawrence Gitau Kamuti, age 31, male; Margaret Wanjiru
16 Kangi, age 21, female; Rachel Wambui Karaba, age 25, female;
17 Charles Mugo Karanja, age 30, male; Lucy Nyamira Karigi, age
18 53, female; Beatrice Nyambura Kariuki, age 35, female; Moses
19 Kariuki, age 35, male; Kristine Anne Wairimu Karumba, age 43,
20 female; Thomas Mudanyi Khahenzi, age 44, male; Francis Kiiru
21 Kibathi, age 38, male; Jackline Nyawira Kibera, age 18,
22 female; Rael Biiri Kimami, age 33, female; Felistas Njeri
23 Kimani, age unavailable, female; Stephen Manina Kimani, age
24 33, male; Joseph Kamau Kiongo, age 55, male; Teresa Wairimu
25 Kiongo, age 20, female; David Ndura Koimburi, age 38, male;
1964
1 Naftali Mwangi Kuria, age 32, male; Juliana Mbuli Kwali, age
2 40, female; Peter Mbithi Kyalo, age unavailable, male; Moses
3 Muli Kyule, age 40, male; Tirus Muraguri Macharia, age
4 unavailable, male; Dennis Evans Radcliffe Madegwa, age 47,
5 male; Francis Watoro Maina, age 34, male; Linda Ndindi Jackson
6 Maingi, age unavailable, female; Fred Yafes Maloba, age
7 unavailable, male; Cecelia Mamboleo, age 36, female; James
8 Otieno Masea, age 33, male; Anne Nyambura Mathenge, age
9 unavailable, female; James Migwi Mathenge, age 53, male; Pity
10 Mwihaki Mathenge, age 35, female; Simon Peter Ngumo Matu, age
11 30, male; Daniel Mutinda Maundu, age 44, male; June Mary
12 Maweu, age 58, female; Lydia Mukiri Mayaka, age 41, female;
13 Allan Sabato Mbandu, age 20, male; Doreen N. Mbayaki, age 22,
14 female; Pamela Mboya, age 29, female; Rachael Kebendi Mboya,
15 age 30, female; Francis Ndungu Mbugua, age 51, male; Lucy
16 Waruthi Mbunja, age unavailable, female; Stephen Waweru Mburu,
17 age 29, male; Catherine Mukeithi Mibere, age 38, female;
18 Elizabeth Anyango Mito, age 37, female; Ahmed Warku Mohammed,
19 age 27, male; Edward Mokaya, age 35, male; Lucian Mugambi, age
20 unavailable, male; Sharon Wangechi Mugo, age 19, female;
21 Josephat Mutua Muia, age 22, female; Emmanuel Mujyambere, age
22 40, male; Samuel Vondo Mulalya, age 28, male; Francis Mukenye
23 Mulehi, age 25, male; Edward Mwea Mungai, age 26, male; John
24 Amos Mungai, age 48, male; Domi Munzala, age 24, male; Tommy
25 Nkurume Munzala, age 25, male; Caroline Mumbi Muraguri, age
1965
1 unavailable, female; Fiddes Wambui Muritu, age 33, female;
2 Alice Waruguru Muriuki, age 20, female; Mary Wanjiku Muriuki,
3 age unavailable, female; Robert Mwigwi Muriuki, age
4 unavailable, male; Dominic Kithuva Musyoka, age 52, male;
5 Wilson Kipkorir Mutahi, age 33, female; Florence Mwende
6 Muthama, age 32, female; Josephine Nzilani Mutinda, age 28,
7 female; Emmanuel Nyagah Mutiira, age unavailable, male;
8 Catherine Ndoome Mutua, age 24, female; Patrick Kariuki Mutui,
9 age unavailable, male; Caroline Karumba Mutuiri, age 17,
10 female; Gloria Nkatha Mutuiri, age 16, female; Gabriel
11 Mwadime, age 26, male; Harrison Njuguna Mwangi, age 56, male;
12 Roselyn Wanjiku Mwangi, age 36, female; Samuel Githua Mwangi,
13 age 33, male; Moses Aston Mwani, age 50, male; Anna Mwaniki,
14 age 48, female; Isaac Mukera Mwaria, age 66, male; Abdalla
15 Musyoka Mwili Mwilu, age 38, male; Elizabeth Nyarosto Nakhale,
16 age 50, female; Geoffrey Moses Namai, age 42, male; Moses
17 Andika Namayi, age 29, male; Mary Nyaguthi Ndirangu, age 28,
18 female; Simon Kinuthia Ndirangu, age 38, male; Caroline Atieno
19 Ndolo, age unavailable, female; Martin Kivathe Nduati, age 28,
20 male; Julius Ndulu, age 28, male; Edwin Paul Ndumbi, age 24,
21 male; Peter Njoroge Ndungu, age 44, male; Ephraim Kingori
22 Ndunu, age 27, male; Joyce Njeri Ng'Ang'a, age 19, female;
23 Loice Njeri Nganga, 23, female; John Mwangi Ngaragari, age 35,
24 male; Peter Kabau Macharia Ngugi, age 31, male; Jacinta Njoki
25 Njau, age 29, female; Simon Mwangi Njiima, age unavailable,
1966
1 male; Abel Mutegi Njiru, age 37, male; Agatha Ann Njoki, age
2 27, female; Catherine Wambara Njoroge, age 41, female; Francis
3 Ndungu Njoroge, age 48, male; Grace Nyambura Njoroge, age 53,
4 male; William Waithaka Njoroge, age 29, male; Francis Kibe
5 Njuguna, age 51, male; Godfrey Muchori Njuguna, 31, male;
6 Patrick Mbiyu Njuguna, age 29, male; Francis Mbogo Njuige, age
7 49, male; Michael Oduor Nyademba, age 34, male; Vincent Kamau
8 Nyoike, age 53, male; Janet Ndumi Nzioka, age 24, female;
9 Johnson Kimeu Nzioka, age 35, male; Magdaline Mbithe Nzoka,
10 age 22, female; Joseph Ngove Nzwili, age unavailable, male;
11 Aineah Joshua Obonyo, age 32, male; Frederick Ezra Ochieng,
12 age 27, male; Francis Olewe Ochito, age 35, male; Lawrence
13 Olum Ochola, age 29, male; Duncan Odhiambo, age unavailable,
14 male; John Oduor Odhiambo, age 33, male; Patricia Atieno Ogol,
15 age 38, female; Maurice Okatch Ogola, age 50, male; Michael
16 Ochieng Okeyo, age 30, male; Simon Otieno Olang, age 35, male;
17 Dominic Otieno Olango, age 32, male; Lepeine Kitatian Olotono,
18 age 54, female; Hanson Nyabera Omar, age 31, male; Margaret
19 Atieno Ombunya, age unavailable, female; Edwin Opiyo Omori,
20 age 47, male; Enoch Omweno, age 42, male; Lucy Grace Onono,
21 age 48, female; Evans Kibiro Onsongo, age 35, male; Eric Abuor
22 Onyango, age 32, male; John Ouko Onyango, age 31, male;
23 Caroline Sella Opati, age 47, female; Sylvia Oriedo, age 35,
24 female; Godfrey Okuro Orono, age 33, male; Elizabeth Achieng
25 Orwa, age 30, female; Joseph Ondari Osamba, age 50, male;
1967
1 Elias Otieno Osir, age 32, male; Julius Ochieng Otieno, age
2 35, male; Mathews Walunya Otieno, age 54, male; Rogers Otolo,
3 age unavailable, male; Elijah Ngito Owino, age 40, male;
4 Josiah Odero Owuor, age 35, male; Rachel Magasia Pussy, age
5 unavailable, female; Margaret Okello Rading, age 31, female;
6 Peter Evans Mugo Rungu, age 44, male; Ruth Mukami Rungu, age
7 20, female; Timothy Odhiambo Sande, age 31, male; Fahat
8 Sheikh, age 40, male; Hassan Jarso Soka, age 36, male;
9 Shadrack Nyagah Thitu, age 35, male; Samuel Mbugua Thuo, age
10 36, male; Phaedra Vrontamis, age 51, female; Gloria Wangechi
11 Wachira, age 27, female; Shadrack Mwangi Wagaiyu, age 54,
12 male; James Mwangi Wainaina, age 47, male; Adams Titus Wamai,
13 age 53, male; Anne Mumbi Wambugu, age 44, female; John Gitau
14 Wamutwe, age 40, male; David Soita Wanabacha, age 30, male;
15 Margaret Wambui Wangethi, age 42, female; Gladys Wangui, age
16 33, female; Mercy Wanjiku, age 29, female; John Mwangi
17 Wanyoike, age 28, male; Margaret Wasike, age unavailable,
18 female; Sabina Wateri, age 46, female; Benson Wathigo, age 56,
19 male; Margaret Njeri Waweru, age unavailable, female; Ann Mumo
20 Zakayo, age 28, female.
21 "D. Between August 7 and August 14, 1998, Dr. Olumbe
22 also prepared death certificates for two individuals. These
23 persons were also determined to have been killed by injuries
24 resulting from a bombing. The bodies of these two individuals
25 were identified by family members to be the following persons:
1968
1 "Philip Munyao Kioko, age 52, male; Ruth Mukami
2 Musyoka, age unavailable, female.
3 "2. If equalled as a witness, Joyce Lapa would
4 testify as follows:
5 "A. She is a medical doctor who graduated from the
6 University of Florida with a Bachelor of Science in Nursing in
7 1976 and from the Duke University with a medical degree in
8 1982. Dr. Lapa was a Pathology Resident at the National Naval
9 Medical Center in Bethesda, Maryland from 1998 to 1992 and a
10 Forensic Pathology Resident at the Armed Forces Unit of
11 Pathology from 1992 to 1993. Dr. Lapa is a Diplomat in the
12 National Board of Medical Examiners and is certified by the
13 American Board of Pathology. Since 1995, Dr. Lapa has been
14 the Chief Deputy Medical Examiner at the Armed Forces Unit of
15 Pathology in Rockville, Maryland. Dr. Lapa performs autopsies
16 to determine the cause of death. In her experience as a
17 medical examiner, Dr. Lapa has examined persons who were
18 killed by explosive devices.
19 "B. Between August 12 and August 14, 1998, Dr. Lapa
20 was asked to perform or supervise autopsies on 11 individuals
21 at the Dover Port Mortuary, Dover, Delaware. In summary, all
22 of the persons listed below were determined to have been
23 killed by injuries resulting from a bombing.
24 "C. The bodies examined by Dr. Lapa were identified
25 by family members as the following individuals:
1969
1 "Jesse Nathaniel Aliganga, age 21, male; Julian
2 Leotis Bartley, Jr., age 27, male; Julian Leotis Bartley, Sr.,
3 age 54, male; Molly H. Hardy, age 51, female; Kenneth Ray
4 Hobson, age 27, male; Prabhi Gutpara Kavaler, age 45, female;
5 Arlene Bradley Kirk, age 50, female; Mary Louise Martin, age
6 45, female; Ann Michelle O'Connor, age 37, female; Sherry Lynn
7 Olds, age 40, female; Uttamlal Thomas Shah, age 37, male.
8 "23. All 213 individuals listed in paragraphs 1 and
9 2 above were found within, or in the vicinity of, the United
10 States Embassy, located at Moi Avenue and Haile Selassie
11 Avenue, Nairobi, Kenya, and the neighboring buildings and
12 grounds during the late morning of August 7, 1998 or during
13 later rescue and recovery operations at the scene.
14 "4. If called to testify as a witness, other doctors
15 from Nairobi, Kenya would testify that approximately 4,000
16 persons who were in the vicinity of the American Embassy in
17 Nairobi, Kenya, during the morning of August 7, 1998 were
18 injured as a result of a large explosion.
19 "It is further stipulated and agreed that this
20 stipulation may be received in evidence as a government
21 exhibit at trial."
22 And the government at this point would offer the
23 stipulation as Government Exhibit 39.
24 THE COURT: Received.
25 (Government Exhibit 39 received in evidence)
1970
1 MR. BUTLER: Agent Gaudin is the next witness.
2 THE COURT: We'll take our lunch break at this point
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1 A F T E R N O O N S E S S I O N
2 2:15 p.m.
3 (In open court; jury not present)
4 THE COURT: All right. Let's be seated. All right.
5 The witness may come in and the jury may come in.
6 (Jury present)
7 THE COURT: The government may call its next witness.
8 MR. BUTLER: Government calls Stephen Gaudin, your
9 Honor.
10 STEPHEN GAUDIN,
11 called as a witness by the government,
12 having been duly sworn, testified as follows:
13 DIRECT EXAMINATION
14 BY MR. BUTLER:
15 Q. How are you employed?
16 A. I'm employed by the FBI.
17 Q. And how long have you been an agent with the FBI?
18 A. I've been with the FBI a little over nine years.
19 Q. And where are you currently assigned?
20 A. I'm currently assigned to the New York office of the FBI.
21 Q. How long have you been with the New York office of the
22 FBI?
23 A. I've been with the New York office of the FBI for a little
24 over three years.
25 Q. Where were you assigned before the New York office?
1972
1 A. Prior to coming to New York I was assigned with the FBI in
2 upstate New York in Albany, New York.
3 Q. In any unit or section while you were in Albany?
4 A. While in Albany I worked on general crimes.
5 Q. Concerning your time in Albany, did you conduct facility
6 interviews of suspects in criminal investigations?
7 A. Yes, I did.
8 Q. And about how many times?
9 A. Dozens of times.
10 Q. Now, were you one of the FBI agents sent to Nairobi Kenya
11 after the bombing of the American embassy on August 7, 1998?
12 A. Yes, I was.
13 Q. When did you arrive in Nairobi?
14 A. I arrived in Nairobi on early Sunday morning, August 9,
15 1998.
16 Q. Prior to your arrival what was your understanding of your
17 assignment while you were in Kenya?
18 A. Prior to arriving in Kenya I wasn't given a specific
19 assignment but just general instructions that we were going to
20 Kenya to help out with the investigation of the bombing in any
21 way we could.
22 Q. I'm talking specifically about what you did after arriving
23 in Kenya. Did you receive an assignment on August 12, 1998?
24 A. Yes, I did.
25 Q. And what was that assignment?
1973
1 A. On August 12th I was instructed to go with my Kenyan law
2 enforcement counterpart there is the CID, the investigators
3 from their Criminal Investigation Division. I was to go with
4 them to a hotel.
5 Q. And were you working with the Kenyan CID in this
6 investigation?
7 A. Yes, I was.
8 Q. Where was this hotel you were going to located?
9 A. It was in Eastleigh Nairobi.
10 Q. And where is Eastleigh located?
11 A. It was about a twenty or thirty minute drive outside of
12 Nairobi.
13 Q. And who was with you?
14 A. I was with another FBI agent and a New York City Police
15 detective who was working with us, also.
16 Q. And who else was with you?
17 A. There were two Kenyan CID officers and their driver.
18 Q. And how did you get to Eastleigh that day?
19 A. We drove. We were in the back of a truck.
20 Q. And who drove the truck?
21 A. The Kenyan CID driver drove the truck.
22 Q. Where were you located?
23 A. I was in the back of the truck. It was a covered truck
24 sort of like a pickup truck with a big cab on the back.
25 Q. Did there come a time when you arrived at the Iftin Lodge
1974
1 in Eastleigh?
2 A. Yes, there was.
3 Q. About what time was that?
4 A. It was around 10 o'clock in the morning that day.
5 Q. And what happened when you arrived at the Iftin Lodge?
6 A. The CID investigators went into the hotel and they came
7 out with a man.
8 Q. And at the time that you were in the truck could you see
9 the man that the CID officers were with?
10 A. Yes, I could. I was in the back of the truck, but it was
11 pretty hot, so we had the door open and I could see the CID
12 officers talking to this man. I was very close.
13 Q. At the time could you see if this person had any documents
14 on him?
15 A. Yes. This man was, had presented a white slip of paper of
16 some kind to the Kenyan CID officers.
17 Q. And did you see that white slip of paper?
18 A. Yes, I did.
19 Q. What was it?
20 A. It was a hospital, what appeared to me to be a hospital
21 admissions card showing that someone was treated at the MP Sha
22 Hospital on August 7, 1998. It had a patient number written
23 on the top, printed on the top and a person's name Khalid
24 Saleh written in the handwritten form.
25 MR. BUTLER: Your Honor, may I approach?
1975
1 THE COURT: Yes.
2 Q. I'd like to show you what has been marked as Government
3 Exhibit 550 for identification. If we could just show that
4 just for identification purposes. Agent Gaudin, is this the
5 document that the individual who you saw in Eastleigh that day
6 had on him?
7 A. This is it right here in my hand.
8 MR. BUTLER: I move Government Exhibit 50350 into
9 evidence your Honor.
10 THE COURT: Received.
11 (Government's Exhibit 550 received in evidence)
12 Q. Now, was this person taken into custody?
13 A. Yes, he was.
14 Q. What was your understanding as to why this person was
15 arrested?
16 A. He was arrested by the Kenyan CID officers for not having
17 any official identification on him.
18 Q. And to be clear, who made that arrest?
19 A. The Kenyan CID officers made that arrest.
20 Q. And after the arrest where was he placed?
21 A. He was put into the back of the truck with me.
22 Q. And once inside the truck did this person confirm that he
23 was Khalid Saleh?
24 A. Yes, he did.
25 Q. And did he tell you where he was from?
1976
1 A. He said he was Yemen.
2 Q. Looking around the courtroom do you recognize the
3 individual who identified himself as Khalid Saleh from Yemen
4 that day?
5 A. Yes, I can.
6 Q. Could you tell us where he is?
7 A. He's sitting right there in between the two ladies in the
8 corner. I can get up and point whatever is easier.
9 MR. COHN: We concede the identification.
10 THE COURT: The witness identifies the defendant
11 Al-'Owhali.
12 Q. Did you observe whether he had any injuries that day?
13 A. Yes, I could see that he did have injuries.
14 Q. What type of injuries did he have?
15 A. He had stitches on his forehead. They weren't covered
16 with a bandage or bandaid. I could see the stitches and both
17 of his hands had bandages on them.
18 Q. And did you take any pictures of him after his arrest?
19 A. Yes, we did.
20 MR. BUTLER: May I approach, your Honor?
21 THE COURT: Yes.
22 Q. Agent Gaudin, I just handed you what has been marked as
23 Government Exhibits 551 A through I for identification.
24 If we could just show those for identification
25 purposes. Are those copies of the photographs that you took
1977
1 that day?
2 A. Yes, these are.
3 MR. BUTLER: Your Honor, I would move Government
4 Exhibits 551 A through I into evidence.
5 MR. COHN: No objection.
6 THE COURT: Received.
7 (Government's Exhibits 551-A through I received in
8 evidence)
9 Q. If we could publish 551-A through I to the jury.
10 Agent Gaudin, do these photographs accurately depict
11 the injuries that you saw that day on Mr. Al-'Owhali?
12 A. Yes. Except in the fact that on his hand he doesn't have
13 the bandages on his hand, but at the time of arrest he did
14 have like a gauze with some bandaid or tape or something
15 covering those stitches on his hands. That's the only
16 difference.
17 Q. Now, Mr. Al-'Owhali obviously doesn't have a shirt on, but
18 did you notice whether the clothes that he was wearing were
19 the same clothes that he was wearing at the time of his
20 arrest?
21 A. Yes. In the first picture it does have his shirt on and,
22 yes, these were the clothes he was wearing on August 12th.
23 Q. Did there come a time when you took custody of those
24 clothes?
25 A. Yes, I did.
1978
1 Q. When did you take custody of those clothes?
2 A. On August 13th.
3 Q. Did the FBI maintain custody of those clothes?
4 A. Yes, they did.
5 MR. BUTLER: May I approach, your Honor?
6 THE COURT: Yes.
7 Q. Agent Gaudin, I've just handed you a bag that's been
8 marked Government Exhibits 552 through 556 for identification.
9 I would ask you just to open those bags and just take a look
10 at those clothes.
11 A. These are two paper bags I had put his clothes into. The
12 first bag, the belt --
13 Q. Don't show them to the jury yet. Look at those clothes to
14 yourself, Agent Gaudin, and tell us whether those were the
15 clothes that you took from the defendant Al-'Owhali that day?
16 A. The first bag is a belt, his jeans and his shirt. The
17 second bag is socks and long underwear.
18 Q. Are those the clothes that you took from him that day?
19 A. Yes, they are.
20 MR. BUTLER: We move Government Exhibits 552 through
21 556 into evidence, your Honor.
22 THE COURT: Received.
23 (Government's Exhibits 552 through 556 received in
24 evidence)
25 Q. We have some photographs of the clothing that we could
1979
1 publish to the jury.
2 (Pause)
3 Agent Gaudin, drawing your attention to August 22,
4 1998, did you have an opportunity to interview Mr. Al-'Owhali
5 on that date?
6 A. Yes, I did.
7 Q. And where did that interview take place?
8 A. That interview took place at the CID headquarters in
9 Nairobi, Kenya in an office.
10 Q. Who else was at that interview?
11 A. There was Agent Steve Baugart. There was an official from
12 the Department of Justice. We had an FBI interpreter language
13 specialist, and there was two Kenyan CID investigators.
14 Q. And on August 22 did Mr. Al-'Owhali agree to speak with
15 you?
16 A. Yes, he did.
17 Q. And did he place any conditions on his agreement to speak
18 with you?
19 A. Yes, he did.
20 MR. COHN: Objection, hearsay, your Honor, and it's
21 an interpreter question. It's hearsay because it comes
22 through a third party, your Honor.
23 THE COURT: Develop the events up until that point.
24 Q. Agent Gaudin, how did you communicate with Mr. 'Owhali
25 during this interview?
1980
1 A. Through a translator.
2 Q. And what language was that translator translating in?
3 A. In Arabic, Mr. 'Owhali's language.
4 Q. Did Mr. Al-'Owhali appear to understand the translator?
5 A. Yes, he did.
6 MR. COHN: Objection as to what appeared.
7 THE COURT: Overruled.
8 Q. Did Mr. Al-'Owhali -- were you able to communicate with
9 him effectively through the translator?
10 A. We had no problems communicating with him through the
11 translator at all.
12 MR. COHN: Objection, conclusion.
13 THE COURT: Overruled.
14 Q. Through the translator did Mr. Al-'Owhali tell you that he
15 had any conditions on his willingness to speak with you?
16 MR. COHN: Renew my objection.
17 THE COURT: Overruled.
18 A. Yes, he did. Mr. 'Owhali explained that he would tell us
19 his involvement in the bombing of the embassy if we would
20 guarantee him that he would be tried in the United States
21 because that the United States was his enemy and not Kenya so
22 he wanted a guarantee that he be tried in America to face his
23 enemy.
24 Q. Did anyone guarantee him at that point that they would
25 take him to America?
1981
1 A. No. He was not given an express guarantee that that would
2 happen.
3 Q. Was the response to his request put into writing?
4 A. Yes, it was.
5 Q. And what did this writing tell him about whether you could
6 guarantee you would take him to the United States?
7 A. The official from the Department of Justice had prepared a
8 form explaining all of these things to Mr. Al-'Owhali based on
9 his conditions. The form stated that this official from the
10 Department of Justice would make his best efforts and make his
11 recommendations to the appropriate people in the US for
12 Mr. Al-'Owhali to be tried in the United States, but he
13 couldn't guarantee that that would happen. It was only that
14 he would do his best. He would recommend that this would
15 happen.
16 Q. And did Mr. Al-'Owhali eventually accept the
17 recommendations eventually?
18 A. Eventually, he did.
19 Q. And did Mr. Al-'Owhali eventually sign this agreement that
20 you're referring to?
21 A. Yes, he did.
22 MR. BUTLER: May I approach, your Honor?
23 THE COURT: Yes.
24 Q. I'd like to show you what has been marked as Government
25 Exhibit 557 for identification. What is exhibit 557, Agent
1982
1 Gaudin?
2 A. This is the form that Mr. Al-'Owhali eventually signed on
3 August 22.
4 MR. BUTLER: Move Government Exhibit 557 into
5 evidence, your Honor.
6 MR. COHN: Objection. Foundation, your Honor. I
7 don't want to do a speaking objection, but --
8 THE COURT: Trace the form until it gets to the
9 agent.
10 Q. Agent Gaudin, was this the agreement that Mr. Al-'Owhali
11 was first read?
12 A. No, it was not.
13 Q. And what was different about the agreement that he was
14 first read?
15 A. In the first form we had Mr. Al-'Owhali's name as we knew
16 it at the time, Khalid Saleh. At the time that he was willing
17 to sign the form he had instructed us that we would need to
18 put his real name on the form instead of the name that we
19 thought he had.
20 Q. Now, was the agreement, except for the name, otherwise the
21 same as this agreement marked as Government Exhibit 557?
22 A. Except for the name, it was the same agreement.
23 Q. And was that first agreement read to him?
24 A. Yes, it was.
25 Q. And how was it read to him?
1983
1 A. The official from the Department of Justice read the form
2 to him through the interpreter, so the Department of Justice
3 official was speaking in English; the interpreter was
4 translating for Mr. Al-'Owhali in Mr. Al-'Owhali's native
5 language.
6 Q. Did Mr. Al-'Owhali agree to sign that form at that time?
7 A. No, he did not.
8 Q. What did he say about why he wouldn't sign the form?
9 A. Mr. Al-'Owhali had stated that he wanted to know if
10 recommend means the same as a guarantee. And the official
11 from the Department of Justice told him it's not the same;
12 that a guarantee means a hundred percent certain or words to
13 that effect, and recommends means, we'll do our best.
14 And Mr. Al-'Owhali had expressed that he wanted a
15 guarantee.
16 Q. So what did you do after Mr. Al-'Owhali said that he had a
17 problem with the word recommend?
18 A. The official from the Department of Justice explained to
19 Mr. Al-'Owhali that this, the wording in this form was
20 probably about as strong as he could get it to be, as strong
21 as he could make it. But it was up to Mr. Al-'Owhali whether
22 or not he was going to decide to speak with us or not on that
23 day; that he was the boss on that issue. If he wanted to talk
24 to us, it was completely up to him. If he wanted the
25 Department of Justice official to try to change the form, the
1984
1 Department of Justice official told him, I can't promise you
2 that it's going to change any more. I'll try. I'll have to
3 contact my superiors. This could take some time but I don't
4 want to get your hopes up that I'm going to come back with
5 exactly what you want. This is probably about as strong as we
6 can make it.
7 MR. COHN: Your Honor, at this time I would ask for
8 the instruction as to why this is not hearsay, that it's not
9 being asserted for its truth, but merely that it was said, not
10 Mr. Al-'Owhali's state of mind.
11 THE COURT: Yes. The jury is so instructed this is
12 an instance in which the testimony is received not for its
13 truth but as evidence of the words spoken for whatever weight
14 you give it with respect to Mr. Al-'Owhali's state of mind,
15 what he understood, what he heard.
16 Q. Agent Gaudin, what happened after this discussion took
17 place?
18 A. The official from the Department of Justice left to make
19 whatever arrangements he could to try to get this.
20 MR. COHN: Objection as to why he left.
21 THE COURT: He left.
22 Q. And what happened after the Justice Department official
23 left?
24 A. After a while Mr. Al-'Owhali instructed me that he would
25 be willing to sign the form as it is, that he'd be willing to
1985
1 accept our best faith efforts for the recommendation to be
2 tried in the US instead of the exact guarantee he said would
3 be fine, and he instructed me to get the official from the
4 Department of Justice and that we could continue.
5 Q. And then did he sign the form at that time?
6 A. Yes. Yes, he did.
7 Q. Did he sign at that particular time?
8 A. No. Eventually he signed it. When the Department of
9 Justice official came back with the form it was presented to
10 him, and Mr. Al-'Owhali at that point instructed us that we
11 needed to put his true name, we had the name Khalid Saleh on
12 the agreement and at that point he had, Mr. Al-'Owhali told us
13 that his real name was Mohammed Rashid Daoud 'Owhali and that
14 he's from Saudi Arabia. So the Department of Justice official
15 had to leave the room to put his, to reflect his true name on
16 the form and then came right back into the room.
17 Q. And did Mr. Al-'Owhali sign the agreement at that time?
18 A. Yes, he did.
19 MR. BUTLER: Your Honor, we would offer Government
20 Exhibit 557.
21 MR. COHN: Brief voir dire, your Honor.
22 THE COURT: Yes. Let me explain what a voir dire
23 means in this context. When a document is offered in evidence
24 the opposing party may conduct a voir dire which is not
25 cross-examination. It is intended to explore issues related
1986
1 to the admissibility in evidence of the document and it is
2 limited to that purpose. So that's what a voir dire means
3 during the course of the trial.
4 VOIR DIRE EXAMINATION
5 BY MR. COHN:
6 Q. Mr. Gaudin, this document was never translated into
7 written Arabic for Mr. Al-'Owhali, was it?
8 A. No, sir, it was not.
9 Q. So it's fair to say that he could not read it, is that
10 right?
11 A. That will be fair to say.
12 Q. And is it not also true that it was never read to him in
13 its entirety, but that it was interrupted and a discussion
14 ensued with this Justice Department official?
15 A. No, sir. The way I remember it is when it was first read
16 to him it was read to him in its entirety. Then
17 Mr. Al-'Owhali expressed whatever problems he may have had
18 with him, and then those problems were addressed.
19 Q. Let me see, it came back. Were there two written versions
20 of this document? Was there another written version of this
21 document?
22 A. With his other name on it, yes, there was.
23 Q. And we don't know -- and you're attesting to the fact that
24 those documents are entirely identical except for the name.
25 Is that right?
1987
1 A. To the best I can.
2 Q. That's your testimony?
3 A. To the best I can, sir.
4 Q. To the best you can, which is from memory?
5 A. Yes, sir.
6 Q. But as to the second document when it came back, there was
7 an attempt to read it to him, wasn't there, when this second
8 document came back?
9 A. Yes, there was.
10 Q. And that was interrupted, was it not? It was never
11 completed?
12 A. Mr. Al-'Owhali --
13 Q. Was it ever completed? Was it ever completed?
14 A. I'm sorry. Was it read to him again?
15 Q. Was it ever read to him in its entirety again?
16 A. No, it was not.
17 MR. COHN: I object.
18 THE COURT: Overruled. 557 is received.
19 (Government's Exhibit 557 received in evidence)
20 MR. BUTLER: Can we publish exhibit 557, please.
21 Q. Agent Gaudin, when the name was changed on the agreement
22 that became exhibit 557, did Mr. Al-'Owhali ever ask you to
23 read it to him again?
24 A. No, he did not. In fact, it was the official of the
25 Department of Justice asked him, would you like me to read it
1988
1 again? I've changed the name. I'll read it again if you
2 like. Mr. 'Owhali said that it wasn't necessary. He trusted
3 us and he agreed to sign it.
4 Q. I ask you to please read for the jury Government Exhibit
5 557?
6 A. I Mohammed Rashed Daoud Al-'Owhali born in Saudi Arabia,
7 on January 18, 1977 am in the custody of Kenyan authorities in
8 Nairobi Kenya and have been fully advised of my rights,
9 including my right to remain silent and my right not to answer
10 questions without a lawyer present.
11 As I have been previously told I understand that
12 anything I say or have said can be used against me in court in
13 the United States. I also understand that if I choose not to
14 answer questions, my refusal to answer questions cannot be
15 held against me in court.
16 I further understand that if I choose to answer
17 questions, I can always change my mind and decide not to
18 answer any further questions. I understand that both Kenyan
19 and American authorities are investigating the murder of
20 various American and Kenyan victims in and around the United
21 States embassy in Nairobi. I have a strong preference to have
22 my case tried in the United States court because America is my
23 enemy and Kenya is not.
24 I would like my statement about what I have done and
25 why I have done it to be aired in public in an American
1989
1 courtroom. I understand that the American authorities who are
2 interviewing me want to know who committed the bombing of the
3 embassy and how it was carried out.
4 I am willing to waive my right and answer the
5 question of American authorities upon the condition that the
6 undersigned American law enforcement authorities make all best
7 efforts to see that I am brought to the United States to stand
8 trial.
9 I understand that the undersigned prosecutor is only
10 empowered to make recommendations to the Attorney General of
11 the United States and other executive officials in the United
12 States government, and I further understand that the United
13 States government only intends to act with the mutual
14 agreement of the Kenyan government.
15 No other agreements or promises have been made other
16 than as set forth in this document. It's signed Mohamed
17 Rashid Daoud Al-'Owhali. It's signed by the interpreter,
18 myself and Steve Baugart 4:36 p.m. on August 22, 1998.
19 Q. After Mr. al-'Owhali signed Government Exhibit 557 did he
20 agree to speak with you?
21 A. Yes, he did.
22 Q. Did you interview him that day?
23 A. Yes, I did.
24 Q. And starting on August 22 over the course of how many days
25 did you interview him?
1990
1 A. We interviewed him on the 22nd, the 23rd, the 24th and the
2 25th of August.
3 Q. What language did you interview him in?
4 A. I spoke in English and the interpreter translated to
5 Mr. Al-'Owhali in his native language. Mr. Al-'Owhali would
6 usually respond back in his native language back through the
7 interpreter to me, and then I would come into English to me.
8 Q. And approximately how many hours did each of these
9 interviews last?
10 A. Around four hours each day. Some less, some a little bit
11 more.
12 Q. Was Mr. Al-'Owhali permitted breaks during the interviews?
13 A. Yes, he was.
14 Q. Was he given food during the course of these interviews?
15 A. Yes, he was.
16 Q. And was he permitted time to pray during the course of
17 these interviews?
18 A. Every single time he asked to pray he was offered the
19 opportunity to do so.
20 Q. And did you reread Government Exhibit 557 to him?
21 A. No, I didn't.
22 Q. Tell us what you did during each interview with regard to
23 Government Exhibit 557?
24 A. At the beginning of each interview I would take the form
25 that he sign on the 22nd and tell him this is the form you
1991
1 signed on the 22nd saying that you'd be willing to speak to
2 us. Do you still, do you understand you still want to speak
3 to us now? You want to continue? And he said he did want to
4 continued. But I didn't reread it to him every time.
5 Q. Did Mr. Al-'Owhali during this period ever complain about
6 the treatment that he was receiving?
7 A. No, he did not.
8 Q. Did you ever see him being mistreated?
9 A. I never saw him being mistreated.
10 Q. Did you ever see him being mistreated by the Kenyans?
11 A. Absolutely not.
12 Q. Did you ever see any new injuries visible to you other
13 than the ones you saw on August 12th when you left him?
14 A. No, I did not.
15 Q. Did you ever see him getting medical treatment during this
16 period?
17 A. Yes, he did.
18 Q. Now, what happened after these interviews were concluded?
19 A. After the interviews were concluded he was taken back to
20 the United States.
21 Q. And what day was he taken back to the United States?
22 A. We left Nairobi Kenya in early morning on the 26th of
23 August.
24 Q. Going to the interview on August 22nd, did Mr. Al-'Owhali
25 say anything to you about how he wanted that interview to
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1 proceed?
2 A. Yes, he did.
3 Q. What did he say?
4 A. Mr. Al-'Owhali had told me that he wanted to tell his
5 entire story from the beginning to the end, and once he was
6 done telling his whole story, then I could go back and sort of
7 go over the questions with him.
8 He explained that this was going to be a very
9 emotional story, and that he was going to say names, and thing
10 like that that would be code names or movement names, may not
11 in fact be people's true names, but names as he knew them to
12 be.
13 Q. And did he in fact finish his whole story on August 22nd?
14 A. Yes, he did.
15 Q. And did you then begin to ask him some questions on August
16 22nd?
17 A. On August 22nd maybe some, a little followup questions but
18 not much on the 22nd.
19 Q. Now, what did Mr. Al-'Owhali tell you about where he was
20 from during the course of this interview?
21 A. Mr. Al-'Owhali told me that he was a Saudi citizen of
22 Saudi Arabia but that in fact he was born in Liverpool,
23 England.
24 Q. Did he tell you how he came to be born in Liverpool,
25 England?
1993
1 A. Al-'Owhali told me that his father was in England
2 attending some sort of master's degree program and during that
3 point is when he was born January 18, 19977.
4 Q. And did Mr. Al-'Owhali tell you anything else about his
5 family in Saudi Arabia?
6 A. Al-'Owhali explained to me that his family comes from, has
7 a, his family's heritage has prominence in Saudi Arabia dating
8 back to certain point back and also up to this day; that he
9 comes from a very wealthy family and a very prominent family
10 in Saudi Arabia.
11 Q. Did he tell you anything about his religious upbringing?
12 A. Yes, he did.
13 Q. What did he tell you about his religious upbringing?
14 A. Al-'Owhali explained to me that a religion was a very big
15 part of his life and that even in his early teens he started
16 to become more and more deeply involved in conservative
17 religious teachings, and that he would read all kinds, certain
18 magazines and books and listen to audio cassettes and he
19 started to detail some of those for me.
20 Al-'Owhali told me that some of the magazines were Al
21 Jihad, al mujahideen, and al Shad, and that some of the books
22 two of the books that I can remember they were entitled U
23 Shakal, and the Love and Hour of the Martyrs. Al-'Owhali
24 explained to me that that's books or magazines detailed Muslim
25 men who died fighting in the jihad and went to Paradise.
1994
1 Q. Did he tell you about any specific scholars that he used
2 to listen to?
3 A. Al-'Owhali explained to me that he would listen to these
4 sermons or teachings on audio cassettes and one in particular
5 was by a Sheik, Sheik Safa, Sheik Safa, Abdul Rachman al
6 Howari, and this particular audio cassette detailed what
7 Al-'Owhali explained to me as the Kissinger promise and
8 Al-'Owhali further described that as Kissinger's plan to
9 occupy the Arabian peninsula.
10 And Al-'Owhali told me that the teachings on this
11 particular cassette solidified his resentment towards any
12 presence, any US presence in the Arabian peninsula.
13 Q. Did Mr. Al-'Owhali tell you what he did after high school?
14 A. Yes, after high school Mr. Al-'Owhali told me after high
15 school he attend two years of religious university in Riyadh,
16 Saudi Arabia called Mohamed Bin Saud.
17 Q. And what happened after he graduated from the university?
18 A. Al-'Owhali told me about two years before the bombing
19 happened that a friend of his had come back from Bosnia and he
20 and his friends started discussing joining a jihad in
21 particular areas, Turkestan, Bosnia, Cheknia and that's what
22 they wanted to do, but they couldn't find what he described to
23 me as a cell to go there. So they decided instead to go to
24 Afghanistan for training and join the jihad there.
25 Q. Did Mr. Al-'Owhali actually go to Afghanistan?
1995
1 A. Al-'Owhali explained to me he and this friend left Saudi
2 Arabia, they traveled to the country of Qatar, and then from
3 Qatar they made their way to Pakistan, and then from Pakistan
4 they made their way eventually into Afghanistan.
5 Q. And did he tell you where he went once he went to
6 Afghanistan?
7 A. Yes, he told me in Afghanistan they went to the Khaldan
8 Camp as what he described it to me as.
9 Q. Did he meet anybody at the Khaldan Camp?
10 A. Al-'Owhali explained to me that at the Khaldan Camp he was
11 met by the person who was in charge of the hospitality section
12 at the camp and this person's name was Abu Sayyid al Kirdi,
13 and this person al Kirdi had instructed them that from this
14 point on they could never use their true names again and never
15 say they were from Saudi Arabia again. And that's when he was
16 given his first in a long series of aliases, as he described
17 them to me.
18 Q. And what was that alias?
19 A. He received an alias of Mohammed Akbar from the country of
20 Qatar.
21 Q. And did Mr. Al-'Owhali tell you about any other aliases
22 that he had used?
23 A. He said he explained to me he has many aliases, some to
24 include, the one I just said, Khalid Salim Saleh, Bin Rashid,
25 Abdul Jabar Ali Abdul Lahit, Mowat, and a series of long
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1 series of other aliases.
2 Q. Now, what did Mr. Al-'Owhali do once he reached the
3 Khaldan Camp in Afghanistan?
4 A. Al-'Owhali explained to me that the Khaldan Camp was sort
5 of a basic training type of camp for, a basic military
6 training camp. Al-'Owhali explained to me that prior to his
7 arrival at the Khaldan Camp he had absolutely no comprehension
8 of military training before. This was his first exposure to
9 that type of thing.
10 He told me he was instructed in different type, basic
11 types of military training to include light weapons, some
12 demolition, some artillery, some communication, things of that
13 nature, but he was also received periods of instruction in
14 religious ideology.
15 Q. What did he tell you about the religious instruction that
16 he received?
17 A. Al-'Owhali explained to me that part of his religious
18 ideology training included fatwas which called for violence,
19 and Al-'Owhali explained to me that if a ruler had changed
20 something in contradiction to Islam, well, that particular
21 ruler had blasphemed and therefore it was your right and duty
22 to kill him.
23 Q. Did Mr. 'Owhali tell you about any other religious
24 statements or teaching that he heard in the Khaldan Camp?
25 A. While also at the Khaldan Camp Al-'Owhali had heard
1997
1 statements from Usama Bin Laden and that these statements
2 further solidified his religious feelings and his religious
3 thoughts and things like that.
4 Q. What happened after Mr. Al-'Owhali received his training
5 in the Khaldan Camp?
6 A. Al-'Owhali explained to me that the emir of this camp, the
7 leader of this camp had nominated Al-'Owhali to have an
8 audience in front of Usama Bin Laden, because of his good
9 progression in the training, and that Al-'Owhali along with
10 some others were actually granted this audience with Usama Bin
11 Laden. He said it was about three days before Ramadan of that
12 year.
13 Q. What happened with this audience with Usama Bin Laden?
14 A. At this audience with Usama Bin Laden, Bin Laden had spoke
15 to the group in general and he impressed upon them the need to
16 fight the Americans and to cast them out of the Arabian
17 peninsula. He also instructed them that they should try to
18 get more training.
19 Q. What did 'Owhali do after this meeting with Usama Bin
20 Laden?
21 A. Al-'Owhali explained to me that he took Mr. Bin Laden's
22 advice and did get more training in what he called the al
23 Qaeda camps.
24 Q. And did he name those camps for you?
25 A. Al-'Owhali told me the al Qaeda camps he went to were al
1998
1 Sadeek, al Farouq, and the jihad war camp, and explained to me
2 that al Qaeda is not a particular place, but it's a group, and
3 it stands for the base of God's support, and that Bin Laden is
4 overall in charge of al Qaeda.
5 Q. And what types of training did Mr. Al-'Owhali receive at
6 these camps?
7 A. Al-'Owhali described the difference between the training
8 at these three camps from the Khaldan Camp to be more advanced
9 and more specialized; that he received training in security
10 and intelligence, how to gather information, how to protect
11 information from being divulged, how to conduct hijackings of
12 buses or planes, how to do kidnappings, how to seize and hold
13 buildings, things of that nature.
14 Q. Did Mr. Al-'Owhali tell you whether he actually ever
15 joined al Qaeda?
16 A. Mr. Al-'Owhali explained to me that it's not necessary for
17 you to actually join al Qaeda to actually serve with them.
18 Al-'Owhali explained this process of joining al Qaeda to be
19 taking the bayat is what he told me. Al-'Owhali explained to
20 me the bayat is an oath or an allegiance to Bin Laden and al
21 Qaeda, but I don't have to do it.
22 Al-'Owhali explained to me that he had decided not to
23 take the bayat for a couple of different reasons. He
24 explained that once you take the bayat and that's it, you no
25 longer have a choice of what missions you would like to do or
1999
1 want to do. If you've taken a bayat you have to do whatever
2 is pretty much told to you. And 'Owhali explained that al
3 Qaeda can assign you to both direct military roles, but also
4 supporting roles, administrative roles, bodyguards, thing like
5 that.
6 Al-'Owhali explained to me that he had a desire and
7 interest to make sure that he did military roles and he was
8 afraid that if he took the bayat he may end up in a
9 nonmilitary role, so he decided not to take it.
10 Q. Did Mr. Al-'Owhali tell you what he did after he received
11 this training?
12 A. Al-'Owhali explained to me that during and at the end of
13 this training he had met with Mr. Bin Laden several times, and
14 had expressed to him interest in missions that he would like
15 to do, and Mr. Bin Laden told him that, take your time. Your
16 mission will come in time.
17 Q. And what did he do after he had this meeting with Usama
18 Bin Laden?
19 A. After this meeting Mr. -- I'm sorry -- Al-'Owhali
20 explained to me that he had heard that the Taliban was in a
21 crisis in the city of Kabul in Afghanistan and he had sought
22 permission from Bin Laden to go and assist the Taliban in the
23 fighting in that area, and Bin Laden granted him permission to
24 do that.
25 Q. Did he tell you who the Taliban was?
2000
1 A. He didn't really explain to me much about the Taliban but
2 I had some idea of what it was at the time.
3 Q. And what's the Taliban?
4 A. The Taliban --
5 MR. COHN: Objection.
6 THE COURT: What's the basis of your information
7 about the Taliban?
8 THE WITNESS: Newspapers and works, things like that,
9 sir.
10 MR. COHN: Objection.
11 THE COURT: Sustained.
12 Q. We'll move on. Did 'Owhali tell you whether he actually
13 went to fight with the Taliban at this time?
14 A. Al-'Owhali explained to me that once given permission he
15 did go to fight alongside Taliban, but initially he wasn't
16 assigned to anything on the front lines, that he was more in a
17 support role. And --
18 Q. What happened once he went to fight with the Taliban in
19 the support role?
20 A. He, Al-'Owhali, explained to me that he contracted
21 tuberculosis and became ill, and had to seek medical
22 assistance, and he did get that assistance alongside the
23 Taliban there and he was treated, not really treated, but he
24 had one of the people who helped with his treatment was a man
25 by the name of Azzam, and this person Azzam had also been
2001
1 trained. He explained to me this person Azzam had also been
2 trained in the al Qaeda camps.
3 Q. Did Mr. Al-'Owhali describe who Azzam was?
4 A. 'Owhali described Azzam to be from Saudi Arabia and has
5 another name of Jihad Ali. He was also trained as at the Bin
6 Laden camps, and that Azzam had told 'Owhali that fighting
7 alongside the Taliban here, this is a good mission for us,
8 this is honorable, but there are bigger missions, better
9 missions that we could be doing. And Al-'Owhali advised that
10 he would be interested in one of those. So Azzam told him
11 I'll be in contact when the mission starts to get ready, I'll
12 let you know.
13 Q. And did Mr. Al-'Owhali eventually recover from his
14 tuberculosis?
15 A. Al-'Owhali explained to me that did eventually overcome
16 his illness.
17 Q. And what did he do after that?
18 A. He then started to get in the direct fighting in and
19 around Kabul alongside of Taliban. Al-'Owhali explained to me
20 that he had fought with them for a while and that the Taliban
21 had suffered a major defeat near the city of Kabul. He
22 explained some very fierce fighting that had happened and many
23 of the people that he was with that were trained also in the
24 al Qaeda camps had been killed in this fighting.
25 And that Al-'Owhali and five other of the men were
2002
1 actually able to retreat into this hill, into a series of
2 hills. 'Owhali explained to me this was known as the, what he
3 said the C formation battle and 'Owhali described this as very
4 fierce fighting that he and only these five other people were
5 able to repel the forces that were fighting against them, and
6 they were actually able to hold their position. They didn't
7 lose it.
8 Q. What happened after this C formation battle?
9 A. 'Owhali explained to me that because of his fighting in
10 the C formation battle that he earned a reputation for loyalty
11 and proved himself to be a very good soldier and received a
12 lot of prominence in the Bin Laden camps because of his
13 ability as a fighter.
14 Q. Is there anything in particular that indicated his
15 prominence in the camps?
16 A. Al-'Owhali explained to me that he was actually, because
17 of his reputation that he earned during the fighting in the C
18 formation battle, that he was actually allowed to carry his
19 rifle anywhere in the al Qaeda camps that he went, even in
20 front of, even to include in the presence of Usama Bin Laden.
21 Q. And now what did Al-'Owhali do after this C formation
22 battle?
23 A. Shortly after that he was again contacted by Azzam, and
24 Azzam had told him that the mission that you said you might be
25 interested in is going forward. Are you still interested? If
2003
1 you are, we need to start getting ready. An Al-'Owhali
2 advised Azzam, told me that he advised Azzam that he was still
3 interested and he did want to participate in the mission.
4 Q. And what did they do after that?
5 A. From there al-'Owhali tells me that he Azzam and four
6 others attended what he described as a very specialized
7 training for about a month. They went somewhere outside of
8 Kabul, and received what he called the operation and
9 management of the cell training, which he described as far
10 more advanced than anything he had received up to this point.
11 Q. Did Al-'Owhali tell you who he had gone to the training
12 with?
13 A. He said he went with Azzam and four others but he didn't
14 give me the other people's names.
15 Q. Did he tell you who taught the training?
16 A. Al-'Owhali explained to me that the person who taught this
17 particular training whose name was Abdul Jafar and that he was
18 from Egypt.
19 Q. What did 'Owhali tell you about this training?
20 A. Al-'Owhali explained that this training which dealt with
21 the cell, he explained to me that the cell is made up of four
22 separate sections, the intelligence section, the
23 administration section, the planning and preparation section,
24 and then the execution section.
25 Al-'Owhali explained to me that the person who is in
2004
1 top of the intelligence section is in charge of the overall
2 cell, and that he assigns deputies to conduct various tasks to
3 complete their mission. He was also trained in intelligence,
4 in security and how to do site surveys of a particular target
5 using cameras with both still and video photography, and that
6 once a cell's target was actually identified it was also
7 called a station.
8 Q. Did Mr. Al-'Owhali mention anyone else who was involved in
9 this training who taught this training?
10 A. Al-'Owhali explained to me that he was, it was his
11 impression that this type of cell training was first taught at
12 the al Qaeda camps by another Egyptian man but he didn't know
13 that person's name.
14 Al-'Owhali further described that guy to be another,
15 I'm sorry, an Egyptian man that was trained either by the
16 American military or the American intelligence agencies, but
17 for some reason this man was no longer trusted in the Bin
18 Laden camps, so he no longer teaches there and Al-'Owhali
19 believers he lives somewhere in the United States.
20 Q. Did Mr. Al-'Owhali tell you what happened after he
21 received this training?
22 A. After this training Azzam again told Al-'Owhali that you
23 know the mission is getting more and more ready. You need to
24 travel from here to Yemen. And Al-'Owhali agreed to do that.
25 So in preparation to travel to Yemen he shaved his beard, and
2005
1 in the al Qaeda camps he received a new passport.
2 Al-'Owhali said he could choose from a variety of
3 passports and he picked and Iraqui passport in the name of
4 Abdul Ali Latif from Iraq. Al-'Owhali further explained to me
5 that Azzam's cousin Bilal left the area with and went to Yemen
6 in order to facilitate 'Owhali obtaining a Yemeni passport
7 once he got there because this person had connections, this
8 Bilal person had connections in Yemen that he could make that
9 happen.
10 Q. And did Mr. Al-'Owhali tell you approximately when this
11 happened, when he took his trip to Yemen?
12 A. He said it was sometime about three to five months before
13 the bombing.
14 Q. Did he actually go to Yemen?
15 A. He did. He told me he did.
16 Q. And what did he do in Yemen?
17 A. Al-'Owhali explained to me that prior to getting to Yemen
18 that he had telephoned Bilal because he had a small delay in
19 obtaining an exit visa, couldn't pick up his plane tickets
20 right away and Bilal had told him you know when you get here,
21 don't stay at a hotel, stay at a member, stay at a house of
22 one of the people from the camps.
23 So Al-'Owhali did that. Upon arrival Al-'Owhali
24 stayed with his friend Ahmed al Hazza who he also gave another
25 name of Abdul Aziz. He said this Ahmed al Hazza was someone
2006
1 was a very good friend of his who was also trained in the Bin
2 Laden camps who fought alongside Al-'Owhali in that famous, as
3 he describe the famous C formation battle. So Al-'Owhali
4 stayed at this person's house.
5 Q. What did Al-'Owhali do while he was in Yemen?
6 A. Al-'Owhali telephoned his parents, and it was decided,
7 Al-'Owhali decided it would be too dangerous for him to travel
8 to Saudi Arabia, so his father, it was agreed that his father
9 would travel from Saudi Arabia to Yemen, and he did and he met
10 with Al-'Owhali and Ahmed al Hazza.
11 Q. And did Al-'Owhali mention anything else he did while he
12 was in Yemen?
13 A. While he was in Yemen he did receive the passport that was
14 facilitated by Bilal and he received a Yemen passport in the
15 name of Khalid Salim Saleh Bin Rashid. Al-'Owhali also met
16 with Ahmed al Hazza and his father and there was an agreement
17 made that Ahmed al Hazza would be the middleman in between
18 Al-'Owhali and his father. From this point on if Al-'Owhali
19 needed anything from his father, Ahmed al Hazza would be the
20 go between to make any of that happen.
21 Q. It did Mr. Al-'Owhali eventually leave Yemen?
22 A. Yes. He was again contacted that the mission was getting
23 closer and that he needed to come back to Pakistan.
24 Q. And who contacted him?
25 A. It was Azzam who had contacted him.
2007
1 Q. And did he eventually go back to Pakistan?
2 A. Yes, he did.
3 Q. Did he tell you about when this was?
4 A. This is about three months before the bombing.
5 Q. What did he do when he went back to Pakistan?
6 A. Al-'Owhali explained to me upon arrival in Pakistan he was
7 met by Azzam, and another person that Al-'Owhali described to
8 me to be named Khalid.
9 Q. Did he describe Khalid at all?
10 A. He described Khalid to be someone in his twenties from
11 Saudi Arabia but that's all, that's about all the description
12 he gave me.
13 Q. And what happened when he met with Khalid and Azzam?
14 A. Azzam told Al-'Owhali that Khalid was going to give him
15 his instructions on what the mission was and then to listen to
16 Khalid. And then Azzam departed.
17 Q. Did Al-'Owhali eventually have a meeting with Khalid?
18 A. Yes, he did. Al-'Owhali explained to me that Khalid told
19 him that the mission was going to be a martyrdom operation
20 that would end, that would result in Al-'Owhali's own death;
21 that there was going to be, there was a target against the
22 United States where Al-'Owhali would be assisting in driving a
23 truck full of explosives, and somehow at that target the truck
24 would explode and Mr. Al-'Owhali would become a martyr.
25 Q. Did Khalid tell him anything about what the target was at
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1 that time?
2 A. He just told him it was a US target somewhere in East
3 Africa, but didn't specify the exact location of the target at
4 that time.
5 Q. And did Al-'Owhali tell you he did anything else with
6 Khalid at this meeting?
7 A. Al-'Owhali explained to me that Khalid then took what
8 Al-'Owhali described to me to be a martyrdom video where
9 Khalid operated a video camera and instructed Al-'Owhali to
10 say something while it was being filmed, and that this video
11 would be played upon the successful completion of his mission
12 and Mr. Al-'Owhali's martyrdom or death.
13 Q. Did Mr. Al-'Owhali film this video?
14 A. I'm sorry?
15 Q. Did they actually film this video?
16 A. 'Owhali explained to me they did film the video and during
17 the filming Khalid instructed to Al-'Owhali to say that he was
18 with a particular unit.
19 Q. Do you recall the name of that unit?
20 A. Al-'Owhali told me the unit was the Third Martyr Barracks
21 First Squad of the El bara bin Malik division of the
22 Liberation Army of the Army of the -- I'm sorry -- of the Army
23 of Liberating the Islamic holy lands.
24 Q. And did Mr. Al-'Owhali tell you whether he had ever heard
25 of this group before?
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1 A. Mr. Al-'Owhali explained to me that he wasn't exactly sure
2 what that group was, but that's what Khalid told him to say so
3 that's what he said on the video.
4 Q. Now, did Mr. Al-'Owhali tell you about any other public
5 statements that he had heard from the group at around that
6 time?
7 A. Al-'Owhali explained to me that around this time, around
8 the time of the filming of the ABC interview with Khost,
9 Afghanistan of Bin Laden that he did meet with Bin Laden one
10 more time.
11 Q. Did he hear about any public statement by any particular
12 group around that time?
13 A. Al-'Owhali explained to me that he had learned of fatwas
14 that were put out and he described the fatwas put out by the
15 International Islamic Foundation -- I'm sorry -- the
16 International Islamic Front. And that this particular fatwa
17 called for violence against the United States was the main,
18 the main cause of the fatwa of its main cause.
19 Q. Did Mr. Al-'Owhali say anything about who he understood
20 belonged to the International Islamic Front?
21 A. He said this particular fatwas was signed by Usama Bin
22 Laden and several other leaders of jihad groups.
23 Q. Did Mr. Al-'Owhali tell you about anyone else who was
24 present in Khost during the time of the Bin Laden interview
25 with ABC News in May 1998?
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1 A. Al-'Owhali explained to me that Azzam was actually present
2 during the filming of that ABC interview of Usama Bin Laden.
3 Q. Now, after Mr. 'Owhali filmed in videotape, did he have
4 any further conversations with Khalid?
5 A. He told me that Khalid instructed him that time to go and
6 you're going to be traveling to Nairobi, Kenya, and upon
7 arrival in Nairobi Kenya you'll be met by others in the group
8 who will give you your last, your final instructions on the
9 mission.
10 Q. Did Mr. Al-'Owhali eventually leave Pakistan for Nairobi?
11 A. Al-'Owhali explained to me that he left, his itinerary to
12 leave Pakistan on July 31st and he was schedule to arrive in
13 Nairobi Kenya on Saturday, August 1st. 'Owhali explained to
14 me that his route of travel was on the Gulf Airline from Lahor
15 Pakistan to Karachi Pakistan, from Karachi to Muscat and from
16 Muscat to Abu Dhabi of the United Arab Emirates and from there
17 to one last leg to Nairobi Kenya where he should have arrived
18 on the 1st of August.
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1 Q. Did Mr. al-'Owhali actually arrive in Nairobi on August 1?
2 A. Al-'Owhali told me that on this journey that he missed a
3 connecting flight between Muscat and Abu Dhabi, and because he
4 missed his connection flight he calls Khalid and Khalid
5 explains to him that you're not going to arrive on time now so
6 you're going to miss the link-up with Azzam and the others who
7 are going to be going to Mombasa, but get the next connecting
8 flight to Nairobi and someone from the group will eventually
9 pick you up. Upon arrival in Nairobi, take a taxi to the
10 Ramada Hotel in Iftin.
11 Q. And when did Mr. al-'Owhali actually arrive in Nairobi?
12 A. Al-'Owhali arrived in Nairobi on the Sunday, the 2nd of
13 August.
14 Q. What did he do once he arrived in Nairobi?
15 A. Upon arriving in Nairobi, he followed Khalid's
16 instructions and he took the taxi to the Ramada Hotel. Upon
17 arrival at the hotel, he used a phone service, not at the
18 Ramada but nearby the Ramada, as he explained it to me, and
19 telephones Khalid and advised Khalid that he, Al-'Owhali, had
20 checked into room 24. Khalid explains to Al-'Owhali that he
21 would contact Saleh in Mombasa and explain to him where he was
22 and to instruct someone to go pick up Al-'Owhali at the Ramada
23 Hotel.
24 Q. And did Mr. al-'Owhali tell you about what time he arrived
25 in Nairobi?
2012
1 A. He arrived on early morning on Sunday, the 2nd of August.
2 Q. What happened after he checked into the Ramada Hotel in
3 Iftin?
4 A. Like I said, he called Khalid, let people know that he was
5 in room 24, and before sunset that same day, a man Al-'Owhali
6 identified as Harun picked him up from the Ramada Hotel.
7 Q. Did he describe Harun?
8 A. He described Harun to be a Somali-looking man who was in
9 his 20s, around five-foot-five, just basic description like
10 that.
11 Q. Did Mr. al-'Owhali eventually identify Harun?
12 A. Yes, he did.
13 Q. How did he identify Harun?
14 A. We had a videotape queued up in a VCR for Mr. al-'Owhali
15 to view and when we put in the videotape he realized, and he
16 expressed to me that he realized, that this video was
17 regarding a ferry accident in Lake -- ferry accident, and at
18 the particular point where Harun's face became clear in the
19 monitor, he identified the person to be Harun.
20 Q. What did Harun do once he got to the Ramada Hotel?
21 A. Upon Harun arriving at the Ramada Hotel, he paid the bill
22 for Al-'Owhali even though he didn't stay there for the night,
23 he paid for whatever time he had stayed there, collected
24 Al-'Owhali and took Al-'Owhali to his house in Nairobi.
25 Q. What happened after Mr. al-'Owhali went back to Harun's
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1 house in Nairobi?
2 A. Al-'Owhali explained to me that he stayed at Harun's house
3 for the rest of the week up to the time of the bombing. He
4 arrived in Harun's house again on the 2nd. The very next day,
5 Azzam and Saleh came to Harun's house and that's when they
6 started to get the instructions on the mission from Azzam and
7 Saleh.
8 Q. You mentioned Saleh. Did Mr. al-'Owhali tell you who
9 Saleh was?
10 A. Al-'Owhali described Saleh to be an Egyptian male in his
11 30s, physical, not very much more than that, other than that
12 he was the leader of the cell.
13 Q. Did Mr. al-'Owhali say anything about Saleh's role in the
14 bombings?
15 A. Al-'Owhali explained to me that Saleh was the planner of
16 both, of the bombing in Nairobi and the bombing in Dar es
17 Salaam. Saleh was the leader of the cell that was going to
18 carry out both of these attacks.
19 Q. Did Mr. al-'Owhali tell you anything about what Saleh said
20 about Harun?
21 A. On this day when Saleh and Azzam came from Mombasa, Saleh
22 had given Al-'Owhali the details of what the mission was going
23 to be. He said first that this Harun was the facilitator or
24 the person who was the administrator of inside the cell, that
25 Harun had obtained the house that they were staying at that
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1 time, his house here in Nairobi, and also that this is where
2 the truck and the bomb -- the truck was kept and where the
3 bomb was assembled, in the garage of Harun's house.
4 Q. Did Mr. al-'Owhali meet with Saleh that day, on August 3?
5 A. Yes, he did.
6 Q. What did they discuss on August 3?
7 A. On that day, Saleh started to give Al-'Owhali the details
8 of the mission. Saleh explained to Al-'Owhali that in fact
9 there were going to be two bombings, there was going to be a
10 bombing of the U.S. embassy in Nairobi, Kenya and the bombing
11 of the U.S. embassy in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania; that both of
12 these were going to occur on the same day, on Friday, August
13 7th, between 10:30 and 11:00 in the morning.
14 Saleh then showed Al-'Owhali some photographs and
15 some drawings of the embassy in Nairobi and started to give
16 Al-'Owhali details of what his mission was going to be. Saleh
17 explained to Al-'Owhali that Al-'Owhali's role was to assist
18 Azzam in getting the bomb truck to the embassy in Nairobi.
19 Azzam would be the driver, Al-'Owhali would be the passenger.
20 Upon arriving at the embassy, Al-'Owhali was to exit
21 the vehicle -- he had a couple missions. One was to exit the
22 vehicle and use a pistol to get the guard to open the drop bar
23 so that Azzam could drive the truck as close to the embassy as
24 possible. Upon that happening, Al-'Owhali was instructed that
25 he was to fire his gun in the air and also to throw several of
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1 what Al-'Owhali described to me as homemade stun grenades
2 around the area and this was to scatter people out of the
3 area.
4 The last part of his mission was that the particular
5 truck, the way it was designed was that the bomb had to be
6 detonated by pressing some electric buttons from inside the
7 truck, that the driver of the truck would actually have to do
8 it. It wasn't like a remote control or anything like that,
9 the driver had to press some buttons inside the truck.
10 If for some reason the electrical circuit didn't
11 work, Al-'Owhali's last portion of the mission was, he had
12 keys to the back of the truck where the door was in the back
13 and that's where the bomb was housed, and if for some reason
14 the electrical detonation didn't work, that he was to take
15 his -- these homemade stun grenades that were made out of a
16 portion of TNT and some other materials and he was to throw
17 them inside the back of the truck to cause the bomb to
18 manually explode instead of being detonated from the front.
19 Q. Did Saleh tell anything to Mr. al-'Owhali about the bomb
20 that was going to be used?
21 A. Saleh, Azzam and Harun and Al-'Owhali all then went to the
22 garage and they showed Al-'Owhali the truck that the bomb was
23 in, and Saleh had explained to Al-'Owhali that the bomb had
24 been built about two weeks ago. And Al-'Owhali described the
25 truck to be light brown or beige-colored, that it had two
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1 wheels in the front on the front axle and four wheels on the
2 back axle, and that the truck was, the compartment of the
3 truck was encased with metal. The front part of the truck
4 just had a regular compartment for the driver and the
5 passenger, no additional seats, and that the bomb itself was
6 comprised of TNT, aluminum nitrate and aluminum powder that
7 were put in many, many wooden boxes or wooden crates and these
8 were all connected with wires to some batteries in the back of
9 the truck and that then the wiring would go to the front of
10 the truck where the bomb would be detonated.
11 Q. Did Saleh tell anything to Mr. -- say anything to
12 Mr. al-'Owhali about the plan for the bombing in Dar es
13 Salaam?
14 A. Yes, he did. Al-'Owhali explained to me that Saleh told
15 him that in addition to the bombing in Nairobi on the 7th of
16 August, there would also be a truck bombing of the U.S.
17 embassy in Dar es Salaam and he explained to me some of the
18 differences between the two: Whereas in Nairobi there would
19 be two people in the truck, in Dar es Salaam there would only
20 be one person in the vehicle. And Al-'Owhali told me that
21 person's name was Ahmed Abdallah, who Al-'Owhali also knew as
22 Ahmed the German.
23 Q. Did Mr. al-'Owhali tell you anything about Ahmed Abdallah?
24 A. He referred to Ahmed the German to be someone who was from
25 Egypt who was a trainer in the Jihad Wal Camp in Afghanistan,
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1 one of the al Qaeda's camps, and Al-'Owhali and him were
2 friends from that time at the camp.
3 Al-'Owhali expressed to me at that point that because
4 he had arrived a day late in Nairobi, he missed the link-up
5 that would have happened in Mombasa and he expressed to me
6 that because of him missing that date, he didn't get to say
7 good-bye to Ahmed the German in Mombasa. He expressed to me
8 that he would have liked to have done that.
9 Q. Did he give you any physical description for Ahmed the
10 German?
11 A. He was from -- that he was actually fair-skinned with
12 light hair and light eyes and that's, Al-'Owhali said, how he
13 gets the name Ahmed the German, even though he's someone from
14 Egypt.
15 Q. Did Saleh tell him anything about the plan to bomb the
16 embassy in?
17 A. Al-'Owhali told me that the plan to bomb the embassy
18 again, the bomb itself was also going to be delivered by a
19 truck, but this particular truck was a refrigerator truck. So
20 I asked him, was it meant to be kept cold for something? He
21 said, no, it's a refrigeration truck because it was the only
22 truck available.
23 Al-'Owhali told me that Saleh had bragged to
24 Al-'Owhali that they were able to build this bomb and get
25 everything ready in only ten days. He had said that several
2018
1 days, Saleh was very boastful about being able to put the Dar
2 es Salaam bombing together in such a short period of time.
3 But also, one of the other differences between the two
4 bombings was that also comprised of the bomb in Dar es Salaam
5 was comprised of TNT, batteries, wires and things of that
6 nature, but also would also have a number of oxygen tanks or
7 gas canisters in the back of the -- in the back with the TNT.
8 And I asked Al-'Owhali why that was, and he said he wasn't a
9 bomb builder but from what he understood, it was for
10 additional fragmentation.
11 Q. Did Mr. al-'Owhali tell you anything about the location of
12 the bomb truck in Dar es Salaam?
13 A. He said that initially the plan was to put the truck
14 within a three-meter space at the embassy at Dar es Salaam. I
15 didn't have a picture, he couldn't identify it, but I remember
16 him specifically saying a three-meter space, but for some
17 reason that this particular space was too close to the French
18 Embassy so that the planners decided to move it to one of the
19 security gates.
20 Q. Did Mr. al-'Owhali tell you how Saleh kept in contact with
21 Ahmed the German in Dar es Salaam?
22 A. Yes. Al-'Owhali explained to me that Ahmed the German had
23 a mobile phone and that he would keep in touch with Saleh with
24 using that phone in case anything needed to be changed with
25 the mission or anything like that.
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1 Q. Did Mr. al-'Owhali tell you anything about who he reported
2 to in this mission?
3 A. Al-'Owhali explained to me that his organization is
4 loosely structured; that depending on the mission, you report
5 to different people at different times. Al-'Owhali explained
6 to me in this mission that he reported to the person who
7 recruited him, which would be Azzam, and then Azzam in turn
8 reported to somebody higher up, and that person higher up and
9 so on all the way up to the top.
10 Q. Did Mr. al-'Owhali tell you what if anything he believed
11 Usama Bin Laden's role in the bombing was?
12 A. Al-'Owhali explained to me that Usama Bin Laden is at the
13 very top of al Qaeda but that he has several senior military,
14 several senior military leaders directly under him, and that
15 Bin Laden provides the political objectives to these military
16 leaders or these senior leaders and that these people would
17 then provide the instructions down, down lower to the lower
18 chains of command. Al-'Owhali explained that it wouldn't be
19 normal for Bin Laden to directly give instructions to someone
20 like Azzam or directly to him.
21 Q. What happened after this meeting on August the 3rd that
22 Mr. al-'Owhali had with Saleh?
23 A. Al-'Owhali explained that on the 3rd of August -- I'm
24 sorry, on Tuesday, which would be the 4th of August, Saleh had
25 took Al-'Owhali to the American Embassy in Nairobi and showed
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1 him where he wanted the bomb truck to be placed by the drop
2 bar in the rear rear of the U.S. embassy.
3 Al-'Owhali had expressed to Saleh that, wouldn't it
4 be better if we were to put the bomb truck in the front of the
5 U.S. embassy, and Saleh disagreed. And then Al-'Owhali
6 suggested, wouldn't it be better for us to put the bomb
7 underneath the U.S. Embassy in the garage that goes underneath
8 and that way we would cause more damage to the Americans since
9 it's the U.S. Embassy, but Saleh had explained to him that
10 would be difficult to do, to get it past the section of the
11 security gate to Al-'Owhali. The plan didn't get changed.
12 Q. Did Mr. al-'Owhali tell you anything about why the day,
13 that particular day was selected, Friday, August 7?
14 A. Al-'Owhali explained to me that he was part of the
15 execution phase of the bombing. He, you know, he didn't know
16 all that much about the planning and preparation except what
17 Saleh was telling him.
18 Saleh had explained to him that they had chose Friday
19 between 10:30 and 11 because that would be when most of them
20 should be either at mosque or on their way to mosque at that
21 time. This way, by doing it at that time on Friday, they
22 would be less likely to hurt any Muslims.
23 Q. Did Saleh say anything about why the embassy in Nairobi
24 was targeted?
25 A. Al-'Owhali explained to me that there were several reasons
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1 for picking -- explained to him through Saleh there were
2 several reasons why the embassy in Nairobi was picked. First,
3 there was a large American presence at the U.S. Embassy in
4 Nairobi; that the ambassador of the U.S. Embassy was a female
5 and if the bomb resulted in her being killed, it would further
6 the publicity for the bombing.
7 Also, that there were embassy personnel in Nairobi
8 who were responsible for work in the Country of Sudan. There
9 were also a number of Christian missionaries at the embassy in
10 Nairobi. And lastly, that it was what Al-'Owhali explained as
11 ease of access to the embassy. It was an easy target.
12 Q. Did Mr. al-'Owhali discuss any other targets with Saleh at
13 this time?
14 A. Al-'Owhali explained to me -- explained to me that there
15 were, there's a number of different targets. He doesn't know
16 where they all are, but they're in the planning stages.
17 Al-'Owhali discussed with Saleh when, you know, are
18 there targets in the United States that we can attack? Saleh
19 had explained to him there are targets in the U.S. that we
20 could hit, but things aren't ready yet, we don't have
21 everything prepared to do that yet. First, we must -- first,
22 Saleh explains to Al-'Owhali that we have to have many attacks
23 outside the United States and this will weaken the U.S. and
24 make way for our ability to strike within the United States.
25 Q. Did Mr. al-'Owhali tell you about anything that he learned
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1 about targets during his training on camps in Afghanistan?
2 A. Al-'Owhali explained to me during his training they
3 emphasized priorities of attacks, three of those to be
4 military bases, U.S. missions or diplomatic posts and
5 kidnapping ambassadors.
6 Q. Did Mr. al-'Owhali see Saleh again after Tuesday, August
7 4th?
8 A. Al-'Owhali explained to me that after Tuesday, the 4th, he
9 never saw Saleh again.
10 Q. What did Mr. --
11 MR. BUTLER: Your Honor, we have about another half
12 an hour or so on direct. Would you like to take a break?
13 THE COURT: We'll take a recess at this point.
14 (Jury not present)
15 THE COURT: Is this too early for a prayer recess?
16 MR. COHN: Yes, prayer's okay now.
17 THE COURT: Prayer is okay now. Let's take a prayer
18 recess.
19 MR. COHN: May I just raise scheduling? Since the
20 government has another half hour and this will take to 4:15,
21 quarter to, leave us to quarter after, unless you're prepared
22 to let me finish my cross until the end, I would like to break
23 at the end of the government's witness's direct.
24 THE COURT: Of direct.
25 MR. COHN: I will either go to the end of mine, which
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1 is about 45 minutes, or I would like to go tomorrow. I don't
2 want to split it up.
3 THE COURT: I have no problem with it. The
4 government has no problem.
5 MR. COHN: Very good.
6 THE COURT: All right.
7 (Recess)
8 THE COURT: All set to resume? All right, the
9 witness and the jury.
10 MR. COHN: Judge, while we're waiting, just for the
11 record, we had a problem with the clothing. I made an
12 objection in the robing room. I didn't object when it came in
13 and that's because the government convinced me that I was
14 wrong, and I have withdrawn the objection.
15 THE COURT: Very well.
16 (Jury present)
17 THE COURT: Mr. Butler.
18 BY MR. BUTLER:
19 Q. Agent Gaudin, you testified, I believe, as to certain
20 information that Mr. al-'Owhali learned about targets while he
21 was in the training camps in Afghanistan. Did he tell you
22 anything about why embassies are specifically targeted?
23 A. In addition to telling me the types of targets, he also
24 explained that hitting embassies achieves certain objectives
25 that he was instructed or that he was taught at the camps, and
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1 by hitting an embassy the objectives are that you would
2 achieve would be you hit the ambassador by hitting the
3 embassy, you would also -- also an objective would be the
4 military attache, the press attache and what Al-'Owhali
5 described as, most importantly, the intelligence officers at
6 the embassy.
7 Q. Just to be clear, what did Mr. al-'Owhali tell you about
8 what his understanding was of Usama Bin Laden's role in the
9 bombing of the embassy in Nairobi?
10 A. Al-'Owhali explained to me that he was never specifically
11 told that this mission was Usama Bin Laden's mission, but he
12 always believed it to be so. Al-'Owhali explained to me that
13 his understanding of the way things work is that Usama Bin
14 Laden, it's not likely that he would take direct credit for
15 attacks like this. That's how he explained it to me.
16 Q. Now, after this meeting with Saleh on August 4th, 1998,
17 what did Mr. al-'Owhali do after that?
18 A. Al-'Owhali explained to me that after the 4th he spent the
19 next several days at Harun's house mentally preparing himself
20 to become a martyr, to die in the operation that was scheduled
21 for the 7th. He explained to me that on either Wednesday or
22 Thursday, he wasn't sure which day, either the 5th or 6th of
23 August, another person came to Harun's house and they all
24 accompanied this person to the garage.
25 Al-'Owhali explained that this person's name was
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1 Abdel Rahman and he was the, what Al-'Owhali described to me
2 as the technician who was, who would make the final electrical
3 connection between the bomb in the back of the truck and the
4 detonating device in the compartment, the driver's
5 compartment.
6 Q. Did Mr. al-'Owhali describe Abdel Rahman for you?
7 A. He described Abdel Rahman to be an Egyptian man who was in
8 his 30s, pretty much the basic description.
9 Q. Did Mr. al-'Owhali tell you anything else that Abdel
10 Rahman did?
11 A. Al-'Owhali explained that Abdel Rahman not only made the
12 final electrical connection for the bomb in Nairobi, but he
13 also did the same thing for the bomb in Dar es Salaam as well.
14 He said that this connection was done right in Al-'Owhali's
15 presence and that it didn't take very long at all.
16 Q. And that was the connection in Nairobi?
17 A. The connection in Nairobi, yes.
18 Q. What else did Al-'Owhali tell you, if anything, that
19 happened while he was in Harun's house on Wednesday and
20 Thursday before the bombing?
21 A. Al-'Owhali had explained to me that both on the -- between
22 the 4th and up to the day of the bombing that he made a series
23 of telephone calls to his friend in Yemen, Ahmed al Hazza, who
24 had fought with him in the C Formation battle I described
25 earlier today.
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1 Al-'Owhali explained to me he made these phone calls,
2 they were collect calls that he had made from Harun's house,
3 and the number that he called in Yemen to reach Ahmed al Hazza
4 was 9671200578, he called that number to reach Ahmed al Hazza.
5 Q. Did he tell you when the last call that he made to that
6 number was?
7 A. Al-'Owhali explained to me the last phone call he made was
8 approximately an hour before the bomb exploded on Friday, the
9 7th of August.
10 Q. Did Mr. Al-'Owhali tell you anyone else made phone calls
11 from Harun's house during this time period?
12 A. Al-'Owhali explained to me that Azzam, Jiad Ali, also made
13 a series of phone calls to his family, to Azzam's family in
14 Saudi Arabia on those last few days before the bomb exploded.
15 Q. Did Mr. al-'Owhali tell you about any instructions that
16 were made to the group during this time?
17 A. Yes, he did. Al-'Owhali explained that he was told from
18 both Harun and Azzam that Saleh had put out an order that
19 anyone even remotely associated with the bombings had to leave
20 the area immediately, had to leave before the explosion
21 actually took place. Then Al-'Owhali gave me a couple of
22 examples of what that was.
23 Al-'Owhali said to me, for instance, whoever bought
24 the truck, the person responsible for buying the truck, that
25 person would have to leave immediately; and also anyone who
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1 even knew what Saleh was doing would also have to leave before
2 the attack occurred. The only people that should be remaining
3 in Nairobi on the day of the attack are the people who were
4 necessary to actually carry the attack out.
5 Q. Now turning to the day of the bombing, what did
6 Mr. al-'Owhali tell you about the day of the bombing, August
7 7th?
8 A. Well, on the 7th of August, on the day of the bombing,
9 August 7, Al-'Owhali had made his last phone call to his
10 friend Ahmed al Hazza around 20 past 9 in the morning. At
11 about 9:45, they began to leave Harun's house.
12 Al-'Owhali explained that he was wearing black shoes,
13 blue jeans, white-colored shirt with short sleeves with
14 buttons that didn't go all the way down the shirt, just a few
15 buttons, and that the shirt had some sort of colored pattern
16 on it. He also had a jacket, a blue cotton jacket, and inside
17 the jacket is where his pistol was, in the pocket of the
18 jacket, and he also had four of what he described to me as
19 these homemade stun grenades tucked into his belt.
20 He described these stun grenades to be comprised of a
21 quarter finger of TNT, some aluminum powder and some black
22 tape. He had those tucked in his belt. Around 9:45 that
23 morning, they departed Harun's house. Harun would be driving,
24 and was driving, according to Al-'Owhali, a white pickup truck
25 and that Harun would be acting as the lead vehicle towards the
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1 U.S. Embassy in Nairobi. Azzam would be the driver of the
2 bomb truck, the bomb vehicle, and Al-'Owhali was the only
3 passenger in the truck.
4 Q. What did Mr. al-'Owhali tell you about what he did on the
5 way to the embassy?
6 A. Okay. On the way to the embassy, Azzam had instructed
7 Al-'Owhali that your wearing that jacket may cause you
8 problems at reaching the stun grenades, you should take your
9 jacket off. So Al-'Owhali did take his jacket off.
10 They continued to drive towards the embassy. Harun
11 is driving the lead vehicle, Al-'Owhali and Azzam are
12 following them in the bomb vehicle, and on their way
13 Al-'Owhali described to me that he and Azzam were listening to
14 an audio cassette of what he described as chanting poems for
15 motivation in preparing to die on the way to the embassy.
16 Q. Now, did Harun go all the way to the embassy with Azzam
17 and Al-'Owhali?
18 A. Al-'Owhali explained to me that Harun didn't drive all the
19 way, they drove to a certain point, a traffic circle or
20 roundabout or something, and pulled off to the side and that
21 Azzam and Al-'Owhali continued on in the direction of traffic
22 along Haile Selassie Avenue towards the embassy.
23 Q. What happened when they reached the embassy?
24 A. Upon reaching the rear parking lot of the embassy, Azzam
25 pulls into the embassy and starts to head for the drop bar in
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1 the back of the U.S. Embassy by the parking lot. At that
2 point another vehicle had just exited that drop bar from the
3 U.S. Embassy and it created a little bit of a backup. So
4 Azzam wasn't able to get exactly where he wanted to go.
5 As Azzam gets close to the drop bar, Al-'Owhali jumps
6 out of the vehicle and starts to go towards the guard. And he
7 realized that his pistol that he was supposed to use to
8 confront the guard was in his jacket pocket that he had took
9 off in the truck, so he tells me that he hesitated for a
10 second to go back to the truck to get the gun but realized
11 that that was probably going to -- it was too much time, he
12 didn't want to do that. So instead of using the gun, he ends
13 up pulling out one of those stun grenades in his right hand
14 and approaches the guard and demands that the guard open the
15 drop bar in English. And Al-'Owhali explained to me that the
16 guard didn't move fast enough, so he pulls the pin with his
17 left hand and he throws the stun grenade in the direction of
18 the guard and that that caused a loud explosion and the guard
19 ran.
20 At that point, other people started to run also,
21 other people started to scatter from the area from the loud
22 explosion, and Azzam started to move the truck. And as
23 Al-'Owhali described it, Azzam moved the truck somewhat
24 parallel to the embassy. Al-'Owhali says at this point Azzam
25 starts shooting directly at the U.S. Embassy with a pistol.
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1 And Al-'Owhali explains between Azzam firing the
2 pistol at the embassy and the loud explosion that was created
3 from when he threw the stun grenade, people started to
4 scatter. And Al-'Owhali explains to me at this point he
5 realized that his mission is complete, that he did exactly
6 what he was instructed to do. His mission was to help Azzam
7 get the truck as close as possible to the embassy and to
8 scatter away the people, the Kenyan people in and around the
9 area. Al-'Owhali says to him -- says to me that, at that
10 point, that had happened and it was no longer necessary for
11 him to die in the attack.
12 Al-'Owhali explained to me that the reason he had
13 died was the mission didn't go exactly point for point and
14 time to time the way it was supposed to. Al-'Owhali explained
15 to me that he was fully prepared to die in carrying out the
16 mission and that that would equate to being a martyr, to reach
17 martyrdom, dying in completion of your mission. But to die
18 after your mission had already been complete, Al-'Owhali
19 explains to me, is not martyrdom, it's suicide, and he
20 explains that suicide is -- it's not acceptable in his
21 religion and that that wasn't what his mission was. To die as
22 a martyr carrying out the mission was fine, but there was no
23 reason for him to commit suicide.
24 Q. So what did Al-'Owhali do?
25 A. Al-'Owhali ran toward, he explains to me that he ran
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1 towards the co-op building, and as he was running towards the
2 co-op building, Azzam detonated the bomb, causing the
3 explosion.
4 Q. What happened to Al-'Owhali after the explosion?
5 A. Al-'Owhali says in the blast that he's knocked down and
6 suffers some injuries and that he's able -- he picks himself
7 up and is able to walk to a first aid station or a clinic to
8 receive treatment for his injuries. Upon arriving at the
9 clinic, he realized that he still had one of those stun
10 grenades tucked into his belt, so he got it and he threw it in
11 a trash can in the clinic.
12 After receiving some initial first aid from the
13 clinic he's taken by an ambulance to an actual hospital, which
14 Al-'Owhali describes to me as the MP Sha Hospital. Upon
15 arriving at the MP Sha Hospital, he actually receives stitches
16 to his forehead, to his right hand, his wrist, I don't
17 remember which one, but inside both hands and also in the
18 center of his back.
19 After receiving treatment at the hospital, Al-'Owhali
20 starts to leave the hospital and is going to go back to
21 Harun's house. So Al-'Owhali explains to me that he was
22 supposed to die in this attack. There was absolutely no
23 extraction plan for him to leave the country. All his plane,
24 his plane tickets, his passport in the name of Khalid Salim
25 Bin Rashed, the Yemen passport, a bunch of other travel
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1 documents as well as Azzam's documents were all left with
2 Harun. So he wanted to get back to Harun's house.
3 When he got out in front of the hospital, he went to
4 reach to see if he had any money on him. He realized that he
5 still had the keys to the back of the truck and that was where
6 in case the bomb didn't get detonated by Azzam, he was
7 supposed to open the back of the truck and throw the stun
8 grenades in to manually detonate it. He had the keys and he
9 also had three bullets in his pocket as well from that pistol.
10 So he goes back inside the hospital, and inside the
11 hospital he goes into the men's room and he tells me that he
12 washes the keys and the bullets in the sink to remove any
13 fingerprints on them and then tries to flush them down the
14 toilet to get rid of them. But for some reason, he explained
15 that he couldn't get the toilet to flush them down, so he
16 retrieved them from the toilet and he hid them on a ledge in
17 the men's bathroom and then left the hospital.
18 MR. BUTLER: Your Honor, may I approach?
19 THE COURT: Yes.
20 Q. Agent Gaudin, I have placed before you Government Exhibit
21 558 and 559 for identification. Do you recognize Government
22 Exhibits 558 and 559?
23 A. Yes, I do.
24 Q. What are Government Exhibits 558 and 559?
25 A. There's two keys and three bullets.
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1 Q. Did you show these items to Mr. al-'Owhali during the
2 course of your interview?
3 A. Yes, I did.
4 Q. What did Mr. al-'Owhali say when you showed him these
5 items?
6 A. Al-'Owhali said to me that these are the keys and the
7 bullets that he hid in the MP Sha Hospital's bathroom, the
8 men's room.
9 MR. BUTLER: Move Government Exhibits 558 and 559
10 into evidence, your Honor.
11 MR. COHN: No objection.
12 THE COURT: Received.
13 (Government Exhibits 558 and 559 received in
14 evidence)
15 MR. BUTLER: May we publish a photo of those items to
16 the jury, your Honor?
17 THE COURT: Yes.
18 Q. Just to be clear, Agent Gaudin, Government Exhibit 558 is
19 what?
20 A. They are two keys, Tri-Circle keys, they're called, the
21 name of the company of the keys. I believe there's another
22 picture on the back that says Tri-Circle.
23 Q. Can we show Government Exhibit 559, please.
24 What is Government Exhibit 559?
25 A. Okay, it's actually three bullets. You may see four
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1 objects there, but one of the bullets is removed, the actual
2 bullet is removed from its casing. That was done at the
3 laboratory. The other two bullets are still intact.
4 Q. After Mr. al-'Owhali left the MP Sha Hospital, what if
5 anything did he tell you that he did?
6 A. Mr. al-'Owhali explained that he tried to find Harun's
7 house. He left on foot but he couldn't find Harun's house, so
8 he decided to take a taxi back to what he explained to me as
9 the only other place he knew to go. He went back to the
10 Ramada Hotel, which is the hotel he had checked in when he
11 arrived in Nairobi on Sunday, the 2nd.
12 Q. What happened when he arrived in the Ramada Hotel?
13 A. When he arrived at the Ramada Hotel, he had no money and
14 he went in to talk to the hotel clerk and explain to the hotel
15 clerk, I was here on the 2nd of August, I'm sure you remember
16 me, you keep my name in the ledger, I was here, I'm from
17 Yemen, but I lost all my travel documents and I was injured in
18 the explosion that happened earlier today. Could you please
19 give me some credit and let me stay here, pay for my taxi, and
20 I'll contact people who will send me money and then I'll be
21 able to pay you whatever I owe you. And the hotel clerk,
22 Al-'Owhali explained to me the hotel clerk agreed to do that.
23 Q. Did he tell you what room he checked into?
24 A. Al-'Owhali told me at that point he checked into room
25 number 7 at the Ramada Hotel.
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1 Q. What happened after he checked into room 7 at the Ramada
2 Hotel?
3 A. Al-'Owhali explained to me that the clerk of the hotel
4 went into the town and tried to find another person from his
5 country, another person from Yemen who may be able to provide
6 Al-'Owhali with some help because he obviously needed help
7 from being injured in the explosion.
8 So this hotel clerk does find a person from Yemen and
9 that person gets a set of clothes for Mr. al-'Owhali.
10 Al-'Owhali takes off the clothes he was wearing. Al-'Owhali
11 explained that he had blood on them, so he took the bloody
12 clothes off and he put them in a drawer inside of room 7 and
13 then put on the new clothes that this other person from Yemen
14 had just provided him.
15 Q. What else did Al-'Owhali tell you that he did during this
16 period?
17 A. Al-'Owhali explained to me that the next morning, the 8th,
18 he began to make a series of phone calls back to his friend in
19 Yemen, Ahmed al Hazza, at the number I had said earlier.
20 Al-'Owhali explained to me that again he had no plans to leave
21 the country. He was supposed to die, he was prepared to die
22 in the explosion. He had no money, no passport, no plane
23 tickets left, that was all left in the room.
24 He explains that calling his friend Ahmed al Hazza
25 was very frustrating for him because he was afraid the phones
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1 were being tapped or monitored, so when he would call him he
2 was talking to him as cryptically or as coded as he could. So
3 he had to make a series of different phone calls to Ahmed al
4 Hazza and eventually get the point across that, I need help, I
5 need you to wire transfer me money and I also need you to get
6 me travel documents so that I can leave. But ensure that
7 these travel documents that you get to me, make sure that they
8 are stamped, there's an entry stamp as entering Kenya after
9 the 7th of August, not before.
10 Also, he instructed Ahmed al Hazza to telephone
11 Khalid for him and give him the following message, and the
12 message was "tell Khalid I did not travel." And Al-'Owhali
13 explained to me that that was code that Khalid would
14 understand is that Al-'Owhali didn't die while carrying out
15 the mission.
16 Q. Did Mr. al-'Owhali eventually receive this wire transfer?
17 A. Al-'Owhali explained to me that the money did eventually
18 get wire transferred to him and Al-'Owhali said that he picked
19 up a thousand dollars, a thousand U.S. dollars at a jewelry
20 store or a gold store near the Ramada Hotel called Sheer Gold
21 and he did receive that money.
22 Q. What happened after Al-'Owhali received the thousand
23 dollars?
24 A. Al-'Owhali explained to me that plans were in the works
25 for this Ahmed al Hazza to come to assist Al-'Owhali getting
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1 out of the country, but Al-'Owhali explains that he was
2 arrested on the 12th. Had he been arrested the day or two
3 after, maybe he, both he and Ahmed al Hazza would have been
4 arrested instead of just him.
5 Q. Did this essentially complete Mr. al-'Owhali's story on
6 the 22nd?
7 A. Yes, it did.
8 Q. And did you ask him any questions following this story?
9 A. Yes, I did. In addition --
10 Q. What did you ask him?
11 A. In addition to making sure that I had the details of what
12 he explained to me as correct as I could, I asked him the
13 question of, what would it take for this fighting to stop, you
14 know, how can we prevent this, how can we end this?
15 Al-'Owhali explained to me that there were several
16 conditions that would have to be met, and he said the first
17 condition was that his -- he first said that the United States
18 is going to remain a target; that there's -- that the planning
19 to target the United States will not stop unless certain
20 conditions were met. First condition was that there would
21 have to be no U.S. presence, absolutely no U.S. presence
22 anywhere in the Arabian Peninsula; that the U.S. would also
23 have to stop providing any type of support for the enemies of
24 the Muslims, and he included specifically Israel and the
25 Serbs; and then the third statement was that the U.S. would
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1 have to stop using its influence from preventing Muslims from
2 instituting the sharia worldwide.
3 Q. Did Mr. al-'Owhali identify a photograph of Azzam, also
4 known as Jiad Ali?
5 A. Yes, he did. When I presented him a photograph to
6 identify, Al-'Owhali picked up the photograph and he said this
7 is Azzam, also known as Jiad Ali. He called Azzam a hero and
8 then he kissed the picture.
9 Q. How did this interview end?
10 A. The interview ended where Mr. al-'Owhali stated that he
11 would like to recite a poem to the investigators and he wanted
12 the official from the Department of Justice to also stay and
13 hear the poem as well. So Al-'Owhali began to say this poem,
14 and it wasn't so much normal speak, it was a chanting, almost
15 a singing-type poem.
16 He was doing it in his -- in Arabic, in his language
17 and through the translator I was able to determine that this
18 particular chanting poem questioned whether or not two friends
19 would ever meet again in paradise, and Al-'Owhali explained to
20 me that this chanting poem is what he and Azzam were listening
21 to as they were driving for motivation, they were listening to
22 for motivation as they were driving to attack the U.S.
23 Embassy. And as Al-'Owhali was reflecting on his friendship
24 with Azzam and this chanting poem, he started to cry.
25 MR. BUTLER: No further questions, your Honor.
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1 THE COURT: All right, ladies and gentlemen, I think
2 we'll call it a day. Have a pleasant evening. Please
3 remember about not reading or listening or watching anything
4 about this case, and we'll resume tomorrow at the regular
5 time.
6 (Jury not present)
7 MR. COHN: Your Honor, before Agent Gaudin leaves,
8 would your Honor instruct him that although no questions has
9 been asked, the government has stopped and he's under cross
10 and he's not to talk with the government overnight?
11 MR. BUTLER: Your Honor, cross hasn't begun, so --
12 MR. COHN: I'll ask a question for that.
13 THE COURT: No. No.
14 MR. BUTLER: Mr. Cohn requested that we break after
15 direct.
16 THE COURT: Yes. I decline to give that instruction.
17 Anything that has to be addressed before the
18 resumption of the proceedings before the jury tomorrow?
19 MR. COHN: Your Honor, we are checking. It's our
20 feeling, and I just can't document it yet, that one of the two
21 numbers that was mentioned, telephone numbers that was
22 mentioned by Agent Gaudin as being given on the 22nd was in
23 fact being given during the period before the 22nd. We're
24 checking. We have no way of knowing that. We'll advise the
25 Court.
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1 THE COURT: All right. In which case, if it's to be
2 stricken, that --
3 MR. COHN: Or something. I can't conceive we would
4 say this is something that would cause a mistrial, no.
5 THE COURT: Anything else?
6 I was asked about my availability on Friday. I will
7 be available until about noon on Friday if there is any matter
8 counsel wishes to --
9 MR. COHN: May I just advise the Court that I am, if
10 everything goes as planned, I am going to be missing all of
11 next week. I have told my client and I have told my client
12 why. I will be available by phone if there are emergencies in
13 which it's necessary. I have advised the Court of some of the
14 situation, and this is it. And Mr. Baugh plans to be here.
15 THE COURT: Mr. Baugh will be here then, all right.
16 You understand that, Mr. al-'Owhali, and is that
17 agreeable to you?
18 THE DEFENDANT: (In English) Yes.
19 THE COURT: All right. Anything further?
20 MR. COHN: Thank you.
21 THE COURT: All right, we're adjourned, then, until
22 tomorrow morning.
23 (Adjourned to 10:00 a.m. on August 8, 2001)
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2 INDEX OF EXAMINATION
3 Witness D X RD RX
4 FRANK PRESSLEY..........1889
5 GEORGE MIMBA............1896
6 SAMMY NGANGA............1909
7 JOHN KIONGO KARIUKI.....1916
8 TOBIAS OTIENO...........1920
9 DANIEL M. BRIEHL........1923 1928
10 PININAH MUHOHO..........1930
11 ELIJAH MUTIE MUE........1933
12 MOSES KINYUA............1936
13 CAROLINE GICHURU.......1948
14 CAROLINE NGUGI..........1951
15 DR. GRETCHEN McCOY......1955
16 STEPHEN GAUDIN..........1971
17 GOVERNMENT EXHIBITS
18 Exhibit No. Received
19 39 .........................................1969
20 550 ........................................1975
21 551-A through I ............................1977
22 552 through 556 ............................1978
23 557 ........................................1987
24 558 and 559 ................................2033
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